Hacking Trial Live Tweets – 15 Apr

Tuesday 15 April 2014

Summary
	The Defence of Andy Coulson Contines
		Counsel for Coulson continues question about production
		Contact with the Police
		Coulson’s knowledge of Phone Hacking
		The Milly Dowler Story
		Phone calls with Rebehak Brooks
		Contacts with Surry Police
		Changes to Milly Dowler Stories
		Coulson as Editor of News of the World
		News of the World Think Tank
		Coulson’s opinion of Senior Journalists
		The PCC Code
		Subterfuge
		Public Interest
		Dark Arts
		Legal Clearance to Publish
		News of the World Campaigns

The Defence of Andy Coulson Contines
	Counsel for Coulson continues question about production
		Back at the #hackingtrial after a slight delay. Andy Coulson, former editor of NOTW, carries on with his evidence in chief.
		Timothy Langdale QC explores on last topic on the production of NOTW with his client Andy Coulson: he goes to the floor plan of the office
		Jury shown a NOTW floor plan from 24/10/07 – before the move to the Thomas More Square.
		Langdale explores the topography of Coulson and Wallis’ offices. There’s an empty office between the editor and deputy editor.
		Kuttner’s office is close to Coulson and Wallis’ offices. PA for both editors and managing editor nearby
		Coulson explains how the secret office at NOTW had moved to a “corridor running out of main office”: then the doors were moved.
		Coulson explains the purpose of the secret NOTW office: “to protect stories that are sensitive and we didn’t want leaked”
		“On a Sunday paper your exclusives are very important property, and you do anything to prevent them being leaked” says Coulson
		There were no curtains. “Over time the Art Editor… would take proofs of a front page… and paste it on the glass” says Coulson
		Coulson asked about the “soundproofing” because Wallis shouted so much: “It’s nonsense” – though he points out Wallis stayed after he left
		The #hackingtrial jury are now shown the topography of features and sports hubs at NOTW – the editorial conference room nearby
		Back bench, middle bench and subs (times 22) of NOTW are shown to jury: “the production engine of the newspaper” says Coulson
		Some subs were staff, others came in on a temporary basis as the NOTW neared production, explains Andy Coulson.
		Coulson explains how the sports operation of NOTW would move into the adjacent Sun offices on the Saturday.
		As for the rivalries between the Sunday and daily: “it was more an issue for the Sun than the NOTW” because a corridor passed their offices
		Andy Coulson explains “in general terms” he’d spend early part of week in his office: by Friday he’d spend “more time on the back bench”
		Coulson would spend his time on the back bench looking at drafts, the back of the book, and the flood of sources and stories coming in
		“I’d either be looking at Hermes, the editorial system, or… sketches of the paper” says Coulson of the last cycles of production.
		“Back of the book” pages might be ready by Thursday: a “dummy” was created by pasting in other pages with glue by Saturday evening.
		Coulson explains how a dummy was made up of the whole paper, but separate pages handed around. He would mark pages or talk to art editors
		Langdale asks how much of the paper Coulson would actually be reading; “I wouldn’t have read every word” says Coulson.
		“I’d tend not to read early versions of material because it would change” says Coulson of Wednesdays and Thursdays.
		“I did my focused reading as we got closer to Saturday” Coulson says. He was more concerned with front page and bigger stories.
		Coulson says he’d also be focused on the underspread: he’d talk to Sun sports on a Saturday.
		Coulson speaks of the “production impact” of moving a story: at the time of the Milly Dowler story NOTW wasn’t full colour.
		“Colour pages take a lot longer to change” Coulson explains compared to black an white: “As a general rule I looked to the mono pages first”
		Changes to NOTW between editions were “reasonably common” says Coulson: every edition under his editorship had change he thinks.
		Coulson says mistakes would be fixed straight away for the second edition of NOTW.
		“If you’re late with your first edition it’s a domino effect” says Coulson of the financial costs of missing deadlines.
		“It’s frenetic” says Coulson of the Friday and Saturday leading to the publication of NOTW.
		Of the editorial conference ‘story list’ Coulson says “quite a lot” wouldn’t make the paper. Other stories the News Ed “wouldn’t list”
		“If a news editor was nervous about a story leaking” says Coulson “he might not put it on the list”.
		Some stories might be lost to daily papers: others held over for the next week.
		Coulson estimates that any story would be looked at by at least five people a) reporters b) news desk c) backbench d) chief sub e) sub
		Lawyers would be “in conference most days” says Coulson of NOTW meetings. Reporters should report and write ‘Please Legal’
		“The News Editor should have the law in mind… Harry Scott on the back bench might say “hold on there’s an issue here” says Coulson
		Coulson says most news stories in NOTW “would have been looked at by a lawyer”
		Justice Saunders asks about more secret stories: “wouldn’t be discussed at conference… if people felt nervous” says Coulson
		Coulson talks about the presence of other senior NI staff who would be in conversation with him as editor, either in phone or in person
		Coulson says senior NI execs would ask about the “content of the paper”
	Contact with the Police
		Langdale addresses the issue of “contact with the police” and NOTW in “general terms”: they co-operated in general terms says Coulson.
		“It depended on issue and the story, but we would work with the police. Part of the NOTW’s DNA was catching criminals” says Coulson
		“The NOTW came in contact with the police in regular occasions” says Coulson of the success of investigative reporters such as Maz Mahmood
		Coulson denies his reporters “tried to get in the way… It wasn’t the NOTW’s role to interfere with police investigations”
		“There were occasions when the police wanted… NOTW’s help….sometimes we acted effectively as the police’s agents” says Coulson.
		Coulson explains a Fake Sheikh tip off about the purchase of Red Mercury for a ‘dirty bomb’: they were directed by police to continue.
		The Red Mercury story was a “long process that ended in a trial” says Coulson, and estimates it was sometime in 2004: trial 2006
		Langdale now turns to the ‘Sarah’s Law’ campaign that started when Coulson was Brooks’ deputy: it continued under his editorship and beyond
		“By the time I became editor the campaign was by no means at its peak, and it ebbed and flowed” says Coulson of Sarah’s Law.
		The “big moment” for Sarah’s Law under Coulson’s editorship was the agreement of Home Secretary John Reid to publish sex offender addresses
	Coulson’s knowledge of Phone Hacking
		Coulson says he “was aware of it in very vague terms” of phone hacking in 2002: “It was in the ether… gossiped about”
		However, the term phone hacking wasn’t used in early noughties, says Coulson. He says he wasn’t aware it was widespread.
		“I don’t think I knew in any detail… I assumed it was to do with voicemail messages” says Coulson of phone hacking.
		Coulson says he “possibly heard” that voicemail hacking was do with PIN codes.
		Coulson says he thinks had a mobile and voicemail messages himself in 2000: he can’t remember if he had a PIN
		Coulson thinks that circa 2000 it was expensive to use mobiles abroad, and so he probably first used PIN code on his personal phone then
		BREAKING: Coulson denies ever being party to phone hacking at News of the World.
		He also denies any knowledge of, or being party to, hacking of Milly Dowler‘s phone in 2002
		Coulson says he was unaware phone hacking was a crime in 2002 but thought it was “intrusive… a breach of privilege… lazy journalism”
		Coulson explains that the people he worked with were never interest in phone hacking.
		Coulson confirms that phone hacking was only specifically mentioned in PCC code in 2004: “I’m certain I would have known” of change he says
	The Milly Dowler Story
		Langdale turns to the NOTW edition of 14/04/02 which Coulson edited, and contained details of Milly Dowler voicemails.
		Langdale points out the previous edition of NOTW had mentioned Milly Dowler‘s disappearance.
		Langdale goes through ‘agreed facts’ or ‘admissions’ over Milly Dowler including the fact that Mulcaire began hacking her mobile 10/04/02
		Langdale says by 02/04/02 Milly Dowler‘s father was considered (completely wrongly) to be have been a suspect.
		Coulson says he was aware of (false) police suspicions about Milly Dowler‘s father and “was aware of it” before NOTW edition produced
		Langdale picks up 26/03/02 news schedule for NOTW the week before Rebekah Brooks went on holiday.
		A reporter is attached to the Milly Dowler story on these late March NOTW schedules: Coulson explains how that reporter might change
		Coulson says a news editor wouldn’t necessarily have to ask him about changing reporters by-lines.
		On the timeline Kuttner’s notebook for 29/03/02 shows him making notes to contact Surrey Police
		Coulson says that Kuttner might well not inform an editor about approaches to police, but it could come up in conference.
		Langdale adduces Kuttner’s draft Milly Dowler leader for News of the World from 30/03/02
		“My Fears for Milly” and Sarah Payne article appears in NOTW on that Sunday. Then a Milly Reward entry in Kuttners notebooks.
		Second entry in Stuart Kuttner‘s notebooks for police numbers in that first week in April. “Missing Milly’ still on NOTW list for 05/04/02
		Sarah Arnold and Ben Proctor are named for the draft story weekend of the 07/04/02: double page article ‘Milly the Last Pictures’ in NOTW
		From 07/04/02 Coulson is editor in Brooks absence: ‘Missing Milly” still on NOTW News List – Peter Rose now attached as reporter.
		Coulson doesn’t know why the Milly Missing story went down the list: “very early in the week… very much a work in progress”
		Glenn Mulcaire tasked on Wednesday 10/04/02 to hack Milly Dowler‘s phone on timeline. 12/04/02 – Ryan Sabie also reporting on Dowler
		Coulson confirms that Ryan Sabie was a third reporter on the Dowler story with a new story: 17/04/02 same story carried over
	Phone calls with Rebehak Brooks
		Langdale cites 11/04/02 a call from Brooks in Dubai to Editor’s desk at NOTW: Coulson confirms that would be a way of contact him.
		Coulson explains it’s the editor’s office number, not his direct line – so can’t be sure if he spoke to Brooks or anyone else did.
		Coulson says it wouldn’t be unusual for Brooks to call while she was away – and the calls would increase as NOTW neared production
		Coulson and Brooks are also in contact with Dave Reid over those days: pages missing from Coulson’s bundle. To be sorted in break
		Langdale continues his questioning of Coulson with an up to date bundle over texts to Dave Reid.
		Langdale explains a NOTW front page on Eastenders and Michael Greco: Coulson confirms he was organising an interview.
		Brooks was also involved in procuring the story of a departing Eastenders actor that weekend.
		“I’m not suggesting Michael Greco is unimportant” says Justice Saunders while confirming the meaning of front page ‘splash’
		Missing Milly story still on NOTW new list on Friday 12/04/02 when a number of reporters sent up to Telford to see if Milly was there.
		Coulson says “I don’t think I was aware people were being sent to Telford”. That same day Brooks calls editor’s desk at NOTW.
		There are various calls and texts on that Friday 12/04/02 between Brooks and Coulson – could have been about “any number of things”
		Thurlbeck contacts Monday’s recruitment agency that Friday. Chris Bucktin claims expenses to Telford
		More texts and calls between Brooks and Coulson – a call in the afternoon for over 30 mins: Coulson says she could have spoken to others
		This was not the first time Coulson had edited NOTW in Brooks’ absence: 2 years in he estimates he would have taken over 6-8 times per annum
		There is a call from Neville Thurlbeck to Coulson that Friday evening at 9.43 – Coulson calls him back and talks for 4 minutes on 12/04/02
		Coulson reiterates that on that Friday: “I don’t think I did know reporters had been sent to Telford”.
		“Neville was standing in as news editor that week” says Coulson: “seems logical he was… talking about 1st editions of other newspapers”
		“I can’t say that was the conversation, it was so long ago, but that seems logical” says Coulson of Thurlbeck conversation.
		Coulson was told about Dowler recruitment rumours: “It seems logical to me… I was told Milly Dowler had taken a job… in a factory”
		“It may have come out in a conference, it may have been said to me directly… I was very clear about my reaction to that…It was nonsense”
		“The idea that she could walk into a factory and take a job seems ludicrous to me” says Coulson of Milly Dowler recruitment story
		Coulson never gave any “credence” to this rumour given the high profile disappearance.
		“Internally the paper believed, very sadly Milly Dowler was dead… and there was the suggestion… her father was involved” says Coulson
		Coulson remembers this “false” information about father being present at a “very early stage” in NOTW’s coverage of the Milly Dowler story
		Coulson says sending reporters to Telford was “the news editors job” and he wouldn’t necessarily been made aware of it.
		Vanessa Altin, Coulson believes, was based in Essex not London. He doesn’t remember one photographer, but remembers Peter Powell
		Coulson can’t remember “Chris Bucktin” very well. Dominic Herbert he remembers as a district reporter. Dave Goddard based in Manchester
		Coulson remembers Anna Gekoski as London based.
		On Saturday 13/04/02 Brooks is calling Harry Scott night editor early in the morning. Other NOTW contacts cited in timeline that day.
		Coulson texts Dave Reid over Eastender story – two calls, one long one very short, from Brooks in Dubai to editor’s desk that Saturday PM
		“We’re moving closer to production… Rebekah… might have wanted to know if Rupert Murdoch had called,” says Coulson of Brooks’ calls.
	Contacts with Surry Police
		Both Thurlbeck and Kuttner were in contact with Surrey Police that afternoon 13/04/02 – Thurlbeck telling them he had PIN number
		Coulson says “I don’t think I was aware” of Kuttner’s contact with Surrey Police, and never knew of Thurlbeck’s accessing voicemails
		Coulson says, had he been aware of Dowler’s voicemail access: “My instinctive concern would have been interference in police investigation”
		More contact from Thurlbeck to Surrey Police that night saying NOTW had two versions of the Dowler story ready to go on 13/04/02
		Thurlbeck contacts McGregor at Surrey police about a hoaxer – too late to change edition of NOTW he told her. Coulson not aware of this.
		“I don’t believe that’s right” says Coulson of knowledge of any changes to the story of Dowler at NOTW. That night the father told of hoaxer
		“I don’t remember anything about it” says Coulson of police passing on information about voicemail messages to Milly Dowler‘s father.
		BREAKING: Coulson says “I don’t remember having any discussion about Milly Dowler with Rebekah” during her absence in Dubai in April 2002
		Langdale adduces the billing on Coulson’s phone relating to Dave Reid, PR guy involved in Michael Greco Eastender’s story.
		A message from Ian Kirby to Brooks on Saturday 13/04/02 sets out ‘main stories of the day’ and SAS heroes getting a congressional medal
		Langdale adduces a Stuart Kuttner document for £1000 plus news items – it mentions £2k on ‘Missing Milly’ story.
		Coulson “hazards a guess” that these costs relate to SA Milly (Sue Arnold a reporter on the Dowler Telford story): he wouldn’t have seen doc
		Coulson reiterates that he never thought that anyone at the NOTW hacked Milly Dowler‘s phone.
	Changes to Milly Dowler Stories
		“I’ve seen the changes that were made so I can track back and work out what logically would have happened” says Coulson of Milly stories
		On first edition story of Dowler story with voicemails: “I may have concluded it came from sources.. .perhaps police stories” says Coulson
		Langdale goes through the first edition of NOTW on 14/04/02 – pages 1-37: in total the paper would range from 96-120 pages.
		Langdale goes through the edition of NOTW – front page splash ‘Beppe Blasts Eastenders” – a spread follows on subsequent pages.
		Langdale cites the Leader Page on Page 5 about Israel and Palestine: articles by Richard Perle: “A former Reagan adviser” says Coulson
		“It was something of a minor coup for us” says Coulson about getting Perle to write for NOWT, and Rupert Murdoch would be interested.
		Coulson remembers having a conversation with Rupert Murdoch about Richard Perle: “I think it was on this occasion” says Coulson.
		The Missing Milly story is on the next page: Coulson has no idea why Robert Kellaway got the by-line.
		Langdale reads the original Dowler story which cites the voice mail messages left Midland’s employment agency.
		NOTW article, seen many times before in Court 12, mentions various messages and sets out a timetable of her disappearance.
		Coulson says “I don’t remember reading this story” but the fact a “senior officer leading the hunt” suggests a police source.
		Coulson points out that there’s no “exclusive” or NOTW “investigates” seal: “I would have thought this is an unremarkable story”
		Coulson says he would have concluded, if he say the article, this went out to other newspapers and that police would have been source.
		Coulson says he might well have been involved in placing story but only insofar as “Milly goes on page nine”
		Coulson says ‘new picture’ may have been the “main motivation” for putting Milly Dowler story on P9: “helpful to find missing schoolgirl”
		On pages 10 and 11 – is the exclusive SBS Ian Kirby story. 12-13 a Beckham spread: 14-15 Ad and Show Biz column. 16-17 Skyjackers
		Langdale runs through the remaining spreads of NOTW on 14/04/02 – Falklands story, Linford Christie, Fire, a free one hour video promotion
		24-25 NOTW “to do with TV stars without many clothes” says Langdale. Ali Ross column: Coulson: “he was on NOTW until Rebekah pinched him”
		More pages on paedophiles, drugs, Rolling Stones, ads, Ian Duncan Smith, Michael Winner from that NOTW edition adduced by Langdale
		Coulson says the significance of Milly Dowler compared to other stories: “I don’t want to appear dismissive of fact she was missing”
		“I don’t think I rated this as a story” says Coulson : “Hoax stories aren’t really stories… this is a hoax wrapped in the riddle”
		Langdale turns to NOTW 3rd edition in which Dowler story had changed content, and was moved from page 9 to page 31
		Langdale says the prosecution are suggesting the move was to hide voicemail messages were used at NOTW.
		Coulson says there were two reasons it would have been removed: a) not a significant story b) for cosmetic reasons.
		Without seeming “trivial” Coulson explains why Dowler story was moved for ‘cosmetic’ reasons: “a mix of different types of stories”
		“I went through the paper and the mix was wrong” says Coulson of moving Dowler voicemail stories: serious and lighter stories “spaced out”
		Langdale goes through the third edition of NOTW on 14/04/02 and the differences in editions. He pauses at “new page nine” on SBS Heroes.
		Justice Saunders confirms that the SBS story was in previous edition. Coulson says “it’s the same story” given greater prominence.
		A Star Trek story is bumped. The rest of the pages to Milly Dowler story on page 30 are pretty much the same
		The new version of Dowler story has new by line of Arnold. Talks of ‘deranged hoaxer’ giving agency “Milly’s real mobile number”
		This third edition does not cite any voice mails – police say hoaxer has hampered other high profile inquiries.
		Story has an appeal from Milly Dowler‘s godmother again: asking for her to call.
		Coulson says backbenches or newsdesk would have been responsible for changing story. He says he normally wouldn’t be involved.
		Coulson says there was nothing to hide in this story, but he has no memory of moving or altering it.
		“I would have expected it to have been looked at by a lawyer” says Coulson of Dowler story.
		Coulson says that a lawyer reading 1st Edition Milly Dowler story “may have been prompted to ask some questions about it” – no alarm bell
		Coulson says “I don’t remember any conversation” with a lawyer about the Dowler voicemail story
		Coulson: “Can I reinforce one point… I mentioned mix of the paper. There was a lack of glamorous content at front of paper”
		Coulson says he moved a picture caption up the pages – it was a mono picture – to make paper more attractive. “Glamorous content”
		“Only black and white glamour” points out Justice Saunders.
		Back after lunch at #hackingtrial – Andy Coulson continuing with is evidence in chief, questioned by his QC Timothy Langdale.
		Langdale completes the Milly Dowler ‘aspect’ of Coulson’s evidence by going back to April 2002 timeline.
		Langdale turns to the moment Brooks returns from Dubai on 14/04/02 – and further contact with Kuttner and Police and further NOTW pieces.
		BREAKING: Coulson says he cannot remember a conversation with Brooks about Milly Dowler story on her return from Dubai holiday
		“It’s possible I would have avoided a conversation about Milly Dowler” says Coulson: “I wouldn’t have wanted to highlight got mix wrong”
		More ‘Missing Milly’ entries on the NOTW news list for the next couple of weeks – Coulson had gone on holiday from 21/04/02
	Coulson as Editor of News of the World
		Langdale now turns to the time of Coulson’s editorship of NOTW which began 14/01/03
		Coulson didn’t “assume” he’d be editor: but he met with senior NI exec and was told of his promotion.
		Internal NI memo cited by Langdale about the appointment of Andy Coulson to editorship of NOTW
		Coulson explains he had about 160 people under his editorship, the vast majority were journalists – production or reporting.
		Coulson says there was a separate NOW office in Scotland, Ireland and ‘for a period’ in Manchester – a handful
		Coulson says he’s “primary focus was on producing…. a competitive paper, a successful paper”. He initiated a re-design.
		Coulson also focused on the marketing budget of NOTW. The paper won Newspaper of the Year, and Sunday Newspaper of the year several times.
		In terms of management style, Coulson says he tried to “fair, firm at time. No doubt occasions I lost my temper… pretty quick to apologise
		“I wanted to create… continue a team feeling on the paper” says Coulson: “I took a lot of pride in finding talented people”
		“I took a great pride in being part of people’s careers” says Coulson. “I liked to congratulate people in front of the office.”
		Coulson says though “newspaper competitive business deadline driven” he wanted people to enjoy working at NOTW.
		“I’m not a bully” says Coulson. “80s and 90s was a very different era” he adds though.
		Coulson “absolutely rejects” the idea there was any bullying culture during his editorship of NOTW.
		“I was out and about quite a bit” says Coulson, building relationships with people. “You get to know more interesting people” as he rose up
		“I continued doing what I did as a reporter” says Coulson of keeping contacts outside the newspaper office.
		Coulson praises his PA as “fantastic…. when I talk about esprit du corps she was part of that.” Great travel and events organiser.
		“I’d say I was risk averse” says Coulson. “I had no interest in landing the paper in trouble… I’d be landing myself in trouble.”
		“As editor of the newspaper you’re the custodian of brand, and I took that seriously” says Coulson of his NOTW editorship
		Coulson talks about how some weeks he’d been hands on with the journalism – other weeks hands off. New printing presses took him away
		Project HAL involved purchasing big huge colour presses offsite: Coulson says “spent far too many years of my life” arguing prod deadlines
		“It’s impossible to micromanage a newspaper: there are too many moving parts” says Coulson: “you rely on people around you”
		Coulson talks about the ‘process’ at NOTW: “everyone knew what their jobs were: everyone knew what was expected of them”
		Langdale asks about the volume of emails at NOTW: a large number seen, “a much larger number not available”
		Coulson explains how the email traffic “increased as the week went on” and a “regular stream of email that turned into a bit of a torrent”
		Coulson said he generally dealt with his own emails. One of the windows on his computer system was always open to emails.
		Coulson says on the preview system he could see email without opening: “there were occasions I’d choose not to read email”
		Coulson says he “might or might not” read the back chain behind an email chain. Internal emails he was copied in on “part of production”
		“My not reading that email didn’t make me feel like I was falling down on the job” says Coulson of internal production emails.
	News of the World Think Tank
		Langdale cites a 14/09/04 Coulson email sent to his deputy Wallis among others: a summary from his NOTW Think Tank.
		“We had a think tank every year of my editorship” says Coulson: “they’re a tradition in newspapers… part bonding, part idea generating”
		“All of the execs, senior journalists, columnists” came to the annual think tanks. Coulson says Clive Goodman attended several.
		The last think tank was the “three peaks challenge” says Coulson: “more walking than thinking” in England, Scotland, Wales.
		Think tank included job Promotions: Celeb columnists (Hague and Urika mentioned): Spanish editions: a text promotion idea: Save the Planet
		“New cartoonist, internet revamp, anti PC campaign… Childrens Champs, Knives Campaign” all mentioned by Langdale in Think Tank
		Pensioners, Pets and School of Excellence also mentioned in this think tank. Lawyers in last section to deal with “dangers of dark arts”
		Coulson says he’d been running regular “PCC and legal refreshers” for his NOTW staff: ‘School of Excellence’ extended that to a full day.
		Half the day of this school of excellence would be involved in promotions ideas says Coulson.
		More Think Tank ideas cited by Langdale: email from Rachel Richardson TV reporter writes back about training day.
		Another internal NOTW email cited to Coulson about ‘Eastenders Orgy’ talks about Dave Reid as point of contact.
		“The girls who appear to be onside to the paper have provided some voicemail messages themselves” says Coulson of Eastenders Orgy story
		Coulson agrees these Eastenders stories have no voicemail hacking source.
		April 2005 email from Coulson cited to staff about need for quality stories: “we need a hit badly”
		Coulson asks staff in April 2005 to arrive in Tuesday “with 2 or 3 splash ideas” and Saturday meetings for desk heads.
		A message from NI exec to Coulson about executive pay cited by Langdale. Coulson replies wants to reward staff who’ve had “a cracking year”
		25/06/05 Coulson writes to Fran Goodman about a conversation remaining private. New rules established.
		25/01/06 Coulson writes to desk heads on 2006 being a tough year – praising Maz Mahmood’s work on Sven, but needing more ‘homegrown’ stories
		“More bigger agenda setting exclusives” was Coulson’s main agenda for a small NOTW gathering in early 2006.
		“On a lighter note” says Langdale in an email exchange between Coulson and another desk head: Coulson jokes he’s thinking of emigrating
		“Indicative of my approach” says Coulson of desk head “we were pulling each other’s leg” References transfer to News Corp’s Fijian Times
	Coulson’s opinion of Senior Journalists
		Langdale asks Coulson about another senior journalist who cannot be named for legal reasons – “hard working, focused… I liked him”
		Another senior NOTW journo who cannot be named for legal reasons “he worked hard… intelligent guy. Interesting ideas”
		This journo had taken a “step back down” after an unfortunate unhappy posting out of London.
		“He’s not afraid of speaking his mind” says Coulson of Wallis. Praises his encouragement of other journalists. Had great contacts.
		On Wallis “Neil was a friend of mine… I known him for a long time. Worked for him for a brief time when I was bizarre reporter”
		“He has the nickname of Wolfman and it’s all to do with his beard as far as I know” says Coulson of Neil Wallis.
	The PCC Code
		Item 3 of 1999 PCC code “justifying intrusions into private life without consent” and “listening devices and private phone conversations”
		The exceptions to the PCC privacy code are public interest exceptions
		2003 PCC Code also gives a public interest asterisk for ‘privacy’ and ‘listening devices… intercepting private telephone conversations’
		Langdale turns to the PCC code, and asks Andy Coulson ‘particular points’
		Coulson says ‘protection of sources’ in PCC code is “terribly important”.
		PCC Editor’s Code of Practice 2004 version now cited by Langdale: takes effect from 01/06/04
		The differences in 2004 PCC Code adds “subterfuge” to “clandestine devices… intercepting mobile messages, emails”
		“On the face of it, if you intercepted someone’s voicemail messages from June 2004, you’d also be in breach of the code” says Langdale.
		Coulson says “I’m confident this would have been drawn to the attention of all my staff”
		Coulson says his deputy, Neil Wallis, was involved in drawing up this new PCC Editor’s Code in 2004 which includes voicemail messages.
		Coulson talks about the dangers of defamation and libel at NOTW: “One of the more serious risks”
	Subterfuge
		Coulson says “subterfuge” was an issue. He speaks about Maz Mahmood’s non Fake Sheikh investigations which required subterfuge
		Coulson talks about a Rob Kellaway story investigating airport security: another of a NOTW reporter becoming a prison officer.
		This NOTW reporter, Coulson says, found himself sitting outside the cell of Ian Huntley – the Soham murderer
		15/06/03 edition of NOTW shown to Jury: ‘How the Hell were we able to take this Photo?’ about security for Ian Huntley.
		09/11/03 NOTW edition also cited: action taken in courts against undercover reporter.
		At this time in November 2003, David Blunkett was Home Secretary – a ‘break out’ quote from him “praising McGee’s undercover report”
		“David Blunkett expressing his support for what NOTW had done” says Langdale of the undercover prison report.
		‘Charges against Huntley Jail Reporter Dropped’ says NOTW in 24/04/04 in Dave McGee case.
		Justice Saunders asks Coulson whether different lawyers for subterfuge other than libel: in house lawyers could consult outside counsel
	Public Interest
		Coulson explains his definition of public interest – officials lying or showing hypocrisy.
		“My rule of thumb on politicians was the public had the right to know who they were, what they were about” says Coulson. “A right to know”
		Coulson says of Snowden Guardian leaks “I think I would have turned them down – there is a potential here for putting lives at risk”
		“It’s a bit rich” says Coulson of celebrities making money out of their fame by “engaging with the media… weren’t in position to complain”
		Saunders asks Coulson whether celebrity PR would justify hacking celebrities voices mails:” Absolutely not”
		Coulson agrees that the public interest isn’t the same as what the largest number of people interested in.
		“I was particularly sensitive about children having become a father myself” says Coulson: “Can’t say hard and fast rule” on children stories
		Coulson talks about his life as a reporter – “blagging” a VIP pass for celebrity areas, or “blagging” a phone number.
		Coulson talks about “turning and spinning” mobiles: a “perfectly legal” method of getting addresses and contact details.
		Coulson talks about surviellance, hidden cameras concealed in video bags would be “classed under dark arts category”
		Coulson says that, by dark arts, he meant “investigative techniques”. He says “it’s an expression used in newspapers”
		“Watching people and following people” would be included in dark arts. “Blagging is a pretty broad term” says Coulson
	Dark Arts
		Langdale now goes back to Sept 2004 think thank on School of Excellence organised by Bob Warren and ‘dangers of dark arts’
		Coulson says he “should have inspected” the issue of phone traffic – billing records etc – a bit more while editor of NOTW.
		Dark arts were on the “acceptable legal side of the line” says Coulson of newspaper techniques like blagging and surviellance
		“In extreme instances” says Coulson; he applied a “public interest” test to forms of surveillance.
		Coulson says he would include ‘phone traffic’ in the legal dark arts.
		Coulson agrees that phone hacking would have ‘crossed the line’ of dark arts and would be ‘unacceptable’
		Coulson says he is “very confident” this NOTW School of Excellence first half of day would cover PCC code. He attended the lunch.
		“Every member of staff” would attend School of Excellence: the second session in the afternoon would consider how paper could improve.
		PCC Code on phone voicemails changed in June 2004. By the time of School of Excellence in September this would have been a topic.
		Coulson is asked about another NI exec who cannot be named for legal reasons.
		Coulson talks of his ‘respect’ for this “very experienced” person: “In general terms I followed x’s advice”
		This senior figure usually came to NOTW conference on Fridays and Saturdays – would spend Saturday on newsroom floor.
	Legal Clearance to Publish
		Getting stories “legalled” is “a given in newspapers” says Andy Coulson.
		NOTW headline about a Jockey and a ‘Fixer’ is mentioned by Langdale. Coulson says “it was my decision and a wrong decision”
		The headline was followed by litigation, and apology and “I believe it was settled” says Coulson of NOTW splash.
		“Pope Candidate and Paedophile” headline discussed by NOTW staff. Legal advice is that they couldn’t run story.
		Other legal battles over NOTW stories cited by Langdale in the #hackingtrial.
		“Do I need to spoof?” asks Coulson in another NOTW email. Sometimes “required from a legal perspective” to prevent injunctions.
		Coulson talks about another story – a Beckham exclusive – and a spoof edition to protect their story from “rivals”
		‘Broadmoor Pics’ also discussed in internal NOTW emails – no criminal legal bars, but possible PCC and privacy issues.
		“Am I OK?” is another “terse message” about legal issues at NOTW cited in court 12.
		“This exchange is my concern” about legal cover and “advice about the table leg” in some NOTW story (I’ve no clue either)
		Legal issues over Goodman’s Blackadder column mentioned in brief passing as Langdale goes over NOTW internal emails.
		“Have we legalled Ulrika lead?” asks Coulson in one email. “Robust but permissible comment” comes the reply.
	News of the World Campaigns
		Langdale now addresses Coulson’s various campaigns – Helping Hands, an anti bullying campaign.
		Coulson explains how he would lobby politicians over various campaigns, like compensation for 7/7 victims.
		“We were given assurances by politicians that didn’t come to pass” says Coulson of campaigns. “Not necessarily deceitful”
		Coulson explains how ministers would change jobs, so they’d have to “reapply pressure” for NOTW campaigns.
		08/06/03 Helping Hand campaign at NOTW start: “An anti bullying in schools” campaign, after schoolboy Karl Peart took his own life
		Langdale notices a column by Charles Clarke, then education secretary, who was supportive of Helping Hands NOTW campaign.
		Justice Saunders asks if this campaign meant legislation: Coulson says main aim was a Children’s Commissioner and bully policy in schools
		25/09/05 NOTW starts a campaign for accelerated compensation for 7/7 victims.
		Lord Stevens – the Chief – writes an article in support on 7/7 victim compensation. Charles Clarke ‘applauded’ for 7/7 Victory.
		May 2006 “Victims win 7/7 Victory – Compensation Doubled because of NOTW campaign”
		“What I’d like to make clear is that this story was published in the belief we had achieved victory for these people” says Coulson.
		Langdale turns to August 2004 story on David Blunkett.
		Langdale gives the “background”: Coulson was contacted while on holiday in Italy in July 2004.
		18/07/04 ‘Sven Week One’ mentions Goran Eriksson’s secret affair: it continued for numerous editions of the newspaper.
		25/07/02 Week Two of Svengate: Ryan Sabey exclusive “I bedded Sven and his boss” with Fariah Alam, citing her confidence to friend.
		“Week One was Fariah Alam anonymised” says Coulson. 01/08/04 Week Three 08/08/04 ‘Svengate exclusive Number Four’
		On week Two of Svengate more info came to the paper: Fariah Alam “went to Max Clifford and sold her story to NOTW and Mail on Sunday”
		BREAKING: Coulson says Fariah Alam/Eriksonn story came from a ‘source’ known to him, and was paid for it.
		Coulson says the Alam buy-up was Week 4 of Svengate: he was on holiday for weeks 2 and 3 and has “some knowledge not complete” of sources
		Coulson says this four week Svengate series was “unusual”: “I remember I spent quite a bit of time on holiday dealing with it”
		Break till tomorrow 10 am

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