Friday 4 April 2014
Summary | ||
Mark Hanna’s Defence continues with Character Witnesses | ||
Witness for Hanna – Simon Bowskill, a former Army colleague | ||
Witness for Hanna – Michael Bluestone, Security Consultant | ||
Witness for Hanna – Michael Alexander, Corporate Security Consultant | ||
Witness for Hanna – Kirstie Millett, a friend | ||
Witness for Hanna – Marva Ingram, Executive Receptionist at News UK | ||
Marva Ingram Cross Examined by the Prosecution |
Mark Hanna’s Defence continues with Character Witnesses | ||
Witness for Hanna – Simon Bowskill, a former Army colleague | ||
Back at #hackingtrial Simon Bowskill is on a video link from Singapore: a character witness for Mark Hanna | ||
Bowskill says “Mark an outstanding citizen, very honest.. integrity unquestionable. Highly regarded by soldiers he led” | ||
“People were shocked” Hanna was involved in arrests says Bowskill. “Never” known his honesty to be questioned. | ||
Justice Saunders thanks Bowskill for his time. | ||
Witness for Hanna – Michael Bluestone, Security Consultant | ||
Next witness for Hanna is Michael Bluestone – a security consultant | ||
Bluestone has been a chartered security professional – past Chairman and currently president of the institute of security professionals | ||
With 1350 members the Security Institute is an “eclectic mix” of the higher echelons of the business says Bluestone | ||
“In the framework of the institute Mark… helped to maintain standards in the industry” says Bluestone. | ||
Bluestone “It was my view Mark was.. instrumental in an innovation in the city, the LISTEN program communicating to other professionals” | ||
“I always found Mark to be extremely honest… he took his work extremely seriously” says Bluestone. | ||
Edis asks about the code of conduct of the institute. Bluestone says available on Website. | ||
Witness for Hanna – Michael Alexander, Corporate Security Consultant | ||
Clegg calls Michael Alexander as another witness | ||
Michael Alexander takes the oath. He has a slight hearing problem. He’s a corporate security consultant for 40 plus years. | ||
Part of that time was Alexander’s 23 years as Marine commando. He met Hanna 12 years ago through private security: they formed LISTEN | ||
LISTEN is an electronic networking group for security professionals. Alexander and Hanna founded the network in around ten years ago | ||
Alexander says he and Hanna used to meet every few months professionally, and knew each other socially. | ||
Alexander says: “Mark has always come over to me as a true professional” He’s never heard any question Hanna’s truthfulness. | ||
Witness for Hanna – Kirstie Millett, a friend | ||
Clegg calls Kirstie Millett as Hanna’s next defence witness | ||
Millett was initially a friend of Hanna’s estranged wife, Tricia. Through her she met Hanna. They socialised as couples at Hanna’s house | ||
Millett is shown pictures of Hanna’s garden – she positively identifies the garden as “Mark and Tricia'” and the fire pit. | ||
Millett says she’s seen the fire pit for socialising after dinner: “we’ve done it quite regularly” | ||
Millett also identifies the incinerator in Hanna’s garden: she identifies “home made curry” and says they sit around fire after dinner. | ||
Millett says Hanna is a “very lovely man…. very sociable… very honest…” | ||
Millett agrees with Anthony Edis that Hanna “burnt things he wanted to get rid of” in his fire. | ||
Witness for Hanna – Marva Ingram, Executive Receptionist at News UK | ||
Hanna’s next witness is Marva Ingram: she’s an executive receptionist at News UK – formerly News International | ||
17/07/11 Ingram was a security administrator at TMS, employed by Advance security via contract. | ||
Ingram dealed with programming cards, or other questions on security issues back in 2011. | ||
Ingram’s supervisor was Luke Aspin: above him Glenn Jagger, Hanna’s assistant – and then Hanna himself. She’d see him occasionally | ||
“Strict but fair” says Ingram of Mark Hanna as a boss. | ||
Ingram says she doesn’t work Sundays | ||
Edis intervenes saying it’s important not to lead the witness. | ||
Dramatic moment: Ingram seems to have contradicted previous evidence | ||
Ingram says she had a call from “Mark… saying he was coming to News International… he would give me something to give someone” | ||
Ingram says she was at work and saw Hanna later that day on Thomas More Street | ||
Ingram shown the photo of Thomas More Square and where she would have met Mark Hanna. | ||
Ingram says Hanna had got to TMS in a car: she’s not “100 sure” but might have gone back to get a black bag, or brought one with her | ||
Ingram says she brought maybe two black bags and cellotape on Mark Hanna’s request. | ||
Ingram says she wasn’t told why to bring the black bags. Clegg asks what happened next. Hanna put a bag in the bin bags. | ||
Ingram says Hanna sealed the top of the bags, and she took back to her work station. | ||
Ingram took the bag black to her security hub at TMS where she kept it with her under the desk where she worked. | ||
Ingram identifies one of the security stations where she used to work. She put it behind glass door. | ||
Ingram says Hanna told her to keep hold of the bag: she finished work at 7pm. No one had contacted her to collect it by that point. | ||
Ingram contacted Hanna and then went home. She says she would regard Hanna as a friend. Socialise down the pub with him | ||
Ingram has never been to Hanna’s house. She was on duty when he was arrested in 2012 – he was giving her a briefing that morning. | ||
“We didn’t know he was arrested until we heard it on the TV’ says Ingram of Hanna. She hasn’t seen him since. | ||
Marva Ingram Cross Examined by the Prosecution | ||
Edis for the Crown cross examines Ingram: she told the oncoming shift about the bag but can’t remember who was on it. | ||
Edis asks Ingram when she realised the events of that day were connected with Hanna’s arrest: probably around the days the news came out | ||
Hanna was arrested and charged around May 2012. Ingram: “I think it was on the news that year…. perverting the course of justice” | ||
17/02/13 Ingram was interviewed by a police officer according to Edis, who wanted her to make a statement. | ||
Ingram says she spoke to a police officer: “But I didn’t think anything of the bag… Mark asked to do things… daily tasks” | ||
Ingram says Hanna did not ask her to put the bag in the lost property store. She didn’t lock it away. He didn’t ask her to lock bag away | ||
Ingram says swipe cards keep a record of who goes in and out of the buidling. She says she wasn’t suspicious why Hanna waited outside. | ||
Edis wants the jury to retire for a moment to “address your Lordship in the absence of the jury” | ||
Jury back in at #hackingtrial after short legal argument. Continuing cross examination of Marva Ingram by Andrew Edis QC for the crown | ||
Ingram says Hanna called before lunch, and he arrived an hour or so later. She met him at 11.00 or 11.30 | ||
“I think it might have been a rucksack… not 100 per cent sure what kind of bag” was put in the bin bags, says Marva. “Some form of a bag” | ||
“It could have been” a rucksack says Marva. “Wasn’t peculiar… not with bin bags… but have done tasks for Mark before” | ||
“Keep the bag with you” is all Marva says Hanna told him. She never asked him about it. She can’t remember seeing Lee Sandell. | ||
Marva says her supervisor must have been Luke Aspin: she didn’t tell him about the fact someone hadn’t picked it up. | ||
“If Mark asked you to do something, you did it to the best of your ability” says Marva. Four people from night shift logged on. | ||
Marva told the incoming night shift about the bag: “I didn’t hand over to one particular person” Marva says pick up person would name Hanna | ||
The plan was for someone to call into the security hub, and she would go down and deliver the bag to the person. | ||
“That day was so busy” says Ingram and so the “workload” was so high she didn’t get a break. | ||
Ingram knows she had a morning break – around 9 am – but didn’t get a lunch break that day. She’d relieve assistant on 13th Floor. | ||
Ingram says she didn’t move around the building, but moving around the hub. Edis queries the photo of the security hub. | ||
Edis asks if the defence photo of Ingram’s hub has anything to do with where Charlie’s Bag was left. Ingram: “No it does not” | ||
Edis produces some photocopies. No objection to them from William Clegg QC, counsel for Mark Hanna. | ||
“This is the lost property register for News International is it?” Edis asks Ingram. She confirms how items would be registered and entered. | ||
Some items attributed to Lee and Luke in 17/07/11 NI lost property register. | ||
Ingram explains how News International lost property would be kept at security hub till the end of the day | ||
Ingram is asked whether she had dealings with any other property that day. She’s not sure how many bags went into the bin bag. | ||
“I’m pretty sure it wasn’t on a Sunday…. very very rarely work weekends” says Ingram of this incident with Hanna. | ||
Ingram explains to Justice Saunders about the barriers on Thomas More Road and the double yellow markings | ||
Clegg re-examines his defence witness Marva Ingram about a telephone number. | ||
Ingram is asked to turn her phone on and corrects the number she just gave. | ||
“I’m not allowed to lead you obviously,” says Clegg. “You’re getting the hang of the rules” jokes Justice Saunders. | ||
“I saw a clip on TV” says Ingram “and wondered if the gentleman had a black bag that I had” about two months ago. | ||
Clegg explains to the jury that further witnesses for Hanna – who has been accelerated – will be available on Monday. | ||
Justice Saunders explains to jury that the current position is that Goodman is not well enough to continue on Monday: back then at 10 am |
Note: All the defendants deny all the charges. The trial continues.
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