Monday 17 March 2014
Summary | ||
Clive Goodman’s Defence Continues | ||
Jury Member unwell and is discharged | ||
Goodman questioned further on the Royal Directories | ||
Payments to Fake Identities | ||
Cash payments to sources of Royal Stories | ||
Goodman questioned on Count 2 – Green Books | ||
Pressure to get stories | ||
Goodman claims Piers Morgan exposed source | ||
Goodman asked about Phone Hacking |
Clive Goodman’s Defence Continues | ||
Jury Member unwell and is discharged | ||
Jury back in for #hackingtrial | ||
BREAKING: Justice Saunders explains to the jury at the #hackingtrial that a juror was upset by an incident on Friday and was unable to come | ||
Saunders has discovered this juror has not felt well enough to come today. Saunders had to establish from doctor whether well enough | ||
She is not fit to go on, says Saunders. “It’s vital we don’t lose any more jurors… very serious matter. Please bear that in mind,’ he says | ||
The jury told not to have any further communication with discharged juror. Saunders explains “there were reasons” he couldn’t explain. | ||
“You’re now a jury of eleven,” the #hackingtrial is told by Justice Saunders. | ||
Goodman questioned further on the Royal Directories | ||
Clive Goodman is now going to continue with his defence | ||
David Spens QC continues asking Goodman about royal directories: Goodman says at least two other senior journalists had copies. | ||
Spens goes to the three directories which are subject of Count 2 and 3: the first provided by a contact called ‘Farish’ says Goodman. | ||
The second source was called Anderson says Goodman. They’d been long term contacts of his. | ||
“Anderson was in the newspaper industry” says Goodman: “I thought he might be freelance” | ||
“Clearly they were no use to him,” says Goodman of Anderson and Royal Directories. | ||
Goodman claims Farish also had a newspaper background: something to do with “production” of newspapers rather than editorial | ||
“Lots of sources weren’t paid” says Goodman: “Some did it it to express a particular stand… Some did it… just to see their own handiwork | ||
Goodman explains the competition within the NOTW “the paper itself” and how he needed to protect his sources from other people in paper | ||
Payments to Fake Identities | ||
Goodman explains how you “created an identity” for sources: Anderson was “made up, and name taken from phone book”: Farish the same. | ||
“There was nothing deceitful about this, it was simply routine” says Goodman of faking identities for Farish and Anderson. | ||
Goodman says you could swap identities at time. “Occasionally” others were paid under the Anderson account, especially for cash. | ||
“There were 100s of these identities floating around the credit system… neither Anderson nor Farish account “unique to either of them” | ||
BREAKING: Goodman says cash payments to fake identities was customary for 20 years in NOTW since he arrived in 1986 and left 2006 | ||
Goodman says NOTW had good sources such as Mark Bolland, soe first contact with Anderson didn’t lead to any stories | ||
Spens takes the jury to a payment schedule for Anderson: 02/01/01 is first payment for a story | ||
Goodman says he never learned Anderson’s true name: met him in “clubs, cafes or bars” around Fleet Street | ||
“Curious thing about it was that it was all one-way traffic” Goodman on Anderson: “no going back and asking questions…strange situation” | ||
Goodman thinks his source Anderson was “somebody who knew somebody” and not a direct source of information: Last payment 21/04/06 | ||
Goodman can’t remember if this was to the freelance journalist source or another. | ||
Goodman says the Anderson relationship “started very strong but in the last year or so evaporated.” | ||
On Farish, Goodman says he was approached by a telephone call, through a contact among the “great mess of people” in casual Fleet St work | ||
Goodman never got to know Farish’s real name: his information was “sometimes great…. sometimes wide of the mark…” | ||
With Farish, Goodman says “you couldn’t go back and check things…. You go to Buck Palace, Simon Cowell, and they’d rebuff you…” | ||
“Unless you can go back to the source,” Goodman says “you’re stuck.” This told him that Farish “wasn’t on the plot” when it came to stories. | ||
First Farish account payment is shown to be 13/02/02 from NOTW documents. | ||
Last payment to Farish 28/03/06: Saunders notes a number of stories don’t come from the Royal Family. Goodman explains cross over | ||
“The Royal family come into contact with people from show business and politics,” says Goodman: “All Human Life if there” | ||
Cash payments to sources of Royal Stories | ||
Spens turns to subject of “cash payments to external contributors”: Goodman says he certainly ‘wasn’t the largest’ in terms of cash payments | ||
Goodman says “tricky” to number sources: “but over that period of time, scores, dozens, some worked for Royal family, friends of, members of | ||
Goodman says it was “very risky” for employees of Royal Family to talk to him: not only incomes but also homes “grace and favour” at risk | ||
“They could go to complete ruin” explains Goodman of Royal sources if exposed talking to him. | ||
Goodman asked about emails from him chasing cash payments. “Not unique to me… every department at NOTW had trouble” says Goodman | ||
“They could be signed in a couple of days, or take months to go through the system,” says Goodman of payments at NOTW. | ||
“Every Tuesday we’d have rows about payments” says Goodman of payments to sources at NOTW. | ||
Goodman explains about ‘pre-approval’ for payments to sources on bigger stories, but many “negotiated post publication” | ||
“Some of my sources will only operate with cash payments, that was pretty routine at the paper,” says Goodman, former Royal Editor at NOTW | ||
19/10/05 Goodman emails Kuttner’s PA about a “missing in combat” payment for a Blackadder story. Next day he chases up “still pending” | ||
28/10/05 email cited from Goodman to Kuttner’s assistant chasing up two “CPRS’ (payment requests) | ||
Break till 2.05 pm. Jury told we’ll only sit to 2.30pm tomorrow without lunch break. | ||
Back after the break at the #hackingtrial | ||
Spens continues questioning of Goodman over NOTW emails already entered in evidence. This one from 11/04/06 £800 “turned around quickly” | ||
01/06/04 Goodman tells a senior NOTW journalist he’s made a “monstruous cut” to a contributor. | ||
26/06/06 email chasing up £650 to Mr Farish. The next day more chasing up Stuart Kuttner‘s assistant. | ||
Goodman agrees he “exaggerated the importance of our sources….routine at our newspaper, former editor says she did it” | ||
“You stood a much better chance of getting your stories in the paper,” says Goodman of exaggerating sources. | ||
Goodman then explains the rewards for a by-line count. “If the people thought your sources had prestige… you’d get much more published” | ||
“It would mean the source got paid more quickly, more likely to come back with more stories,” says Goodman of ‘source inflation’ | ||
BREAKING: Goodman says there is “no truth’ in Crown’s case he paid policeman. He called them that just to make sure he got published. | ||
Spens refers to Edis’ statement that the stories attributed to ‘police officers’ seems to relate to stories about police and Royal Family | ||
Spens says about “8 per cent” of the Farish stories related to Royal Police. Goodman agrees. | ||
Goodman says of Royal Police “naturally they gossiped… and they travelled. A story about Windsor Palace could end up in Balmoral” | ||
“They were authority figures.” says Goodman of Royal Police: “People didn’t like them and naturally they gossiped” | ||
Goodman questioned on Count 2 – Green Books | ||
Spens looks at the detail of Count Two: an Internal Telephone Directory and Green Book, and the ‘David Farish’ payment 06/12/03 £750 | ||
Goodman says payment was made to newspaper executive. 24/01/03 email to Andy about “policeman at St James’ Palace”, Green Book and Peat | ||
“I think we should have the book and all that goes with it…these people will only accept cash, end up on criminal charges and so could we” | ||
Goodman says the email was not about police offices: he was “simply selling to the editor the ideas these were good sources” | ||
Goodman explains how Coulson was interested in “troubled marriage of senior aide” and selling the Peat story for this reason. | ||
Goodman says the request for Sir Michael Peat story was from Coulson: “It had come from him” he says. | ||
Goodman denies he “paid a Kensington Palace police officer”: he added that line “only to increase the chances of the credits being made” | ||
Coulson replies “didn’t I sign off on the payment for a Green Book recently”: Goodman explains that that was a directory | ||
Goodman says that his line claiming the Green Book gave direct access to Queen’s line was merely to “get credit and stories into paper” | ||
Same day Goodman email to Kuttner speaks of “cryptic credit reference”: Goodman says he told Kuttner about ‘secure source’ | ||
Jury shown payment details to David Farish of £1000 for “Royal Research Project” and a stamp by cashier 28/01/03 | ||
Email to Coulson from Goodman cited by Spens: ‘Royal/General’ about two Royal phone books – Green Book and internal directory | ||
Goodman email refers to “one of our palace people” – Mr Anderson. | ||
14/05/03 email talks of “one of palace cops” getting hold of “very risky doc” and “cash contribution only” sources. | ||
Goodman says he only said “palace cop” in order to get a response for payment from Andy Coulson: (05 not 04) He replies “fine” | ||
Payment authorised 02/06/05: Saunders asks what happens after editor’s authorisation. Goodman talks of form filling. | ||
Saunders “you’d expect the editor and managing editor to liaise?”: yes says Goodman of payments to contributors from editorial budget. | ||
Payments on the Anderson account shown to jury: Goodman says he thinks this was the freelance journalist who supplied him. | ||
Spens now moves to other references in evidence “to police… cops and other matters of that kind” 01/07/05 Goodman request to Stokes | ||
Goodman’s email to Kuttner talks of two police sources “we’d all end up in jail if anyone traced their payment” 3rd exec at another paper. | ||
Goodman talks sources: “two in uniform” and his third source at rival news organisation going through a “life alterating event” if traced | ||
“They’ve had special branch crawling over them since an Operation Trident arrest at Clarence House,” says email. Goodman explains. | ||
A suspect in Operation Trident had fled to Clarence House: it “raised the risk” for sources at Clarence House says Goodman. | ||
But Goodman says he was only “trying to suggest” two sources were in uniform: he never paid police officers though. | ||
Goodman explains that other exec at another paper, Alex Hall, sold showbusiness stories to him | ||
Goodman explains about an email with a “furious face to face” between Queen and cops when she was banned from her palace grounds. | ||
Quite a “sharp conversation took place” says Goodman of cops banning Queen from her own grounds. Goodman says source was not police. | ||
Goodman says story came from Mark Bolland: “who had an active and healthy relationship with the media” lots of stories with NOTW and MoS | ||
“Very much so,” says Goodman of Mark Bolland being a source of stories. “Any stories about anyone else good for Prince Charles“ | ||
07/07/05 emails to senior NOTW journalist from Goodman about “a man who usually wears a uniform” | ||
Goodman says that his, like the other occasion, was only put in there to encourage payment. | ||
08/07/05 Goodman email talks about Royal Protection officers and diplomatic protection failing fitness test. Goodman says source an officer | ||
14/07/05 email from Goodman to credit processing at news desk chasing up a couple of cash payments from our “uniformed folk” | ||
Goodman says the “uniformed folk” was only to tell staff “how important sources are”. | ||
Goodman emailed on 14/07/05 about signing off credits querying the payments. | ||
There’s a payment to the Farish account on 25/07/05 | ||
Previous story on 7/7 bombings 19/07/05 email to senior NOTW staff now talks about “stressed out Royal Cops” from either Farish or Anderson | ||
29/07/05 Goodman emails James Weatherup about all officers being reassigned to “an anti terror army” of 6000 and specialist gun experience | ||
Goodman email says source is “Buckingham Palace Cop” for “anti terror army” | ||
Goodman says he only put the cop line in “because it makes the story seem even more credible” | ||
“That was just made up as well?” asks Saunders of mention of ‘memo’: Goodman says “we had the info but not the memo” | ||
15/08/05 email from Goodman about a ‘security meltdown’ when a Royal Cop goes missing near Balmoral. | ||
Goodman story was about police officer found shopping for souvenir shortbread near Balmoral. | ||
“Might be a bit dangerous for the source” says Goodman email about firming up the story of absent Royal Protection officer. | ||
Goodman says the information was “dangerous” to Mr Farish and his source. | ||
Again, Goodman says he knew the information was correct and he came up with police source: “because I wanted it projected well in paper” | ||
Pressure to get stories | ||
16/08/05 Goodman writes to Coulson about “location filming” for a program on William and Harry and other stories he was working on | ||
Third topic on Goodman email about “collect pic” from Farish which “didn’t arrive” | ||
Coulson replied to Goodman’s email: “Which program? I need a story this week, Clive. Something of substance” | ||
24/08/05 internal NOTW email complains about Goodman’s cash payments, asking for regular payments, and “more stories that are free” | ||
Goodman says this email made him “very cross… many of the stories were free. It was an inappropriate thing to say” | ||
Goodman says you don’t get Royal stories “from hanging around people’s houses”. NOTW journo was a “great sub” but didn’t understand. | ||
Goodman replies explaining his three sources and their need for cash: “for reasons we discussed… put me, you and the editor in jail” | ||
Goodman says his Blackadder sources was mainly other journalists with stories “critical of celebrities and VIPS” – explains cash payments | ||
Goodman says he was just in the middle of Marunchak associate editor demanding payment for a story about William sailing through selection. | ||
Goodman explains “protected method of payment” to spouses or partners of sources. | ||
“Seems a bit idiotic now,” Goodman says of claims risk of jail for payment, but says he was conveying “urgency, secrecy” for source | ||
Goodman claims Piers Morgan exposed source | ||
Goodman talks about source called Kenneth Stronach who wanted a £1m publishing deal about Royal Family: | ||
Goodman claims Piers Morgan and Alec Marunchak realised book would be difficult, but decided to expose Stronach instead. | ||
“He’d be little use as a contact,’ says Goodman: “And decided to expose him instead. Which they did. He was arrested. Charged with theft” | ||
BREAKING; Goodman claims Piers Morgan & other senior execs decided to expose a Royal Source when book deal fell through: “it was very nasty” | ||
“Kenneth went from a high status job at royal household,” says Goodman: “to a very different life” after arrest. | ||
“What we did to Ken was very discreditable” says Goodman. “The first rule of journalism is you don’t rat on your sources”. | ||
Goodman says this explains why he put the line in his email about ending up in prison if caught. | ||
Back after the break: Spens realises he missed out a page. Takes jury and client Clive Goodman back to another email. | ||
Goodman explains how a claret story about Palace “came from Mr Hall” who had contact with a wine supplier. | ||
Payment requests for Mr Hall now shown to jury. | ||
19/10/05 email from Goodman to Weatherup and others about “royal cop… the Sun had page lead about Royal cop…. going fishing” | ||
Goodman explains same cop has been caught accosting visitors to Chapel with anti-monarchist statements, and then playing with gun in room | ||
Officer was Iraq vet: Goodman email talks about standing up anti monarchist chapel bit through press officer. Gun story harder to confirm | ||
27/09/05 email from Goodman to Weatherup: about “her maj forgives” story and cutting cash contributions to “cash only operators” | ||
Weatherup email says Kuttner is having a “purge on cash payments”: Goodman email says source “one of our protected people” | ||
There’s no payment record for this “Her Maj Forgives Princess (Michael)”: Goodman says “it’s gotta be Mr Hall..close association with Kents” | ||
Jan 2006 email from Goodman asking for payment about Will and Kate holiday for “no identity protected cash only”source: Mr Hall Goodman says | ||
Goodman emails NOTW staff in 2006 about “long standing contact in a uniform” | ||
Goodman claims Coulson was keen to get hold of a story about William at Sandhurst: “It’s a reference document” Goodman email explains | ||
Goodman says payment “clearly wasn’t for someone in uniform. But to stir x to make a payment” | ||
Payment was made on the Anderson account: “it would have been made to the journalist” says Goodman: “training schedule came from internet” | ||
Goodman email talks about “thanks for the Alexander job” and about “Mr Hall” making arrangements to avoid cash payments. | ||
This is five months after Mr Hall was planning to “make arrangements’ to be paid by another route other than cash. | ||
Three more emails: 15/07/06 Goodman emails about “extremely high ranking member of Queens’ household” losing laptop | ||
“Cops suspect a contractor might have swiped it. I till talk to Yard about it” writes Goodman. He explains he meant press office | ||
04/08/06 Goodman writes about CPRs (cash payments) to Farish for a page lead on stolen laptop. | ||
Goodman says this payment was for “Mr Farish or his source” | ||
01/08/06 email from Goodman about Kate Middleton and “outstanding CPR” for edition of 16/07/06 being held up by Kuttner | ||
Spens says “I’m going to go into this email in much more detail later” but asks Goodman to read first paragraph. | ||
Goodman thinks his source for this story was referring to the Alexander Account and Glenn Mulcaire. | ||
Goodman asked about Phone Hacking | ||
Spens comes to the subject of phone hacking. | ||
Spens turns to the ‘admissions’ or agreed facts about guilty pleas of Mulcaire and Goodman in November 2006 | ||
Guilty pleas talk about conspiracy to phone hack beginning in 01/11/05 and targetting Helen Asprey, Lowther Pinkerton, and Harveson | ||
David Spens QC turns to the timelines of phone hacking adduced by the crown | ||
Spens asks Goodman to look at some of these timelines to “establish what the state of evidence is in relation to phone hacking and you” | ||
The timeline shows calls in January 05 to Helen Asprey’s phone – 18 calls to her UVN, 3 from Goodman, 14 from NI landline. | ||
Goodman accepts this January 2005 calls came from him: he got the DDM voicemail and PIN number from Greg Miskiw | ||
Goodman turns to another timeline: this is for September 05 Mark Dyers UVN from Clive Goodman – he says info from Greg Miskiw | ||
“Mark Dyer is an equerry to princes William and Harry,” explains Goodman: “he was like a private secretary in everything but name” | ||
Goodman looks at Jamie Lowther Pinkerton timeline: Oct 05 19 to his UVN, 16 from NI landline, 3 from Goodman’s phone | ||
26/10/05 is the beginning of the Lowther Pinkerton hacking: Goodman says he got the PIN and DDM “from that time directly from Glenn Mulcaire | ||
Spens points out these dates precede his guilty plea, and include Mark Dyer, not mentioned in 2006 criminal case. | ||
Spens turns to Jan 06 and Paddy Harvison timeline: 23 hacks, 3 from Goodman, 13 from NI hub, 7 from Mulcaire | ||
“Oh yes” says Goodman to hacking Harvison’s phone. Mulcaire provided numbers and PIN he says. | ||
10/02/05 shows a notebook tasking for Greg and Tom Parker Bowles and “resetting default pin”: email from Goodman to Coulson | ||
Goodman says “I’ve spoken to Maz about Tom P-B” and about new way in via cook book. Coulson replies “yes” | ||
Goodman email to other NOTW says “working on agents and numbers” – “the numbers would be their phone numbers” Weatherup “Good idea” | ||
“Getting Greg to do a few dark arts” says Goodman to Weatherup. He explains can mean “convert into an address… reverse directory” | ||
Two days later: email to Goodman from other NOTW journo “I’ve had a tip Tom Parker Bowles on holiday… any on Sir Michael” | ||
Goodman replies he heard foreign ring tone on phone. Goodman claims he got number from someone on the mail. | ||
March 05 email from Miskiw providing an address for Parker Bowles: call from Goodman 14/02/06 call to Parker Bowles voicemail | ||
Goodman says he was “very briefly” hacking Parker Bowles in Feb 2006, but not in 2005. He got DDN and PIN from Mulcaire | ||
Goodman says “investigations dept” were onto Tom Parker Bowles for months and months: Goodman only involved because of Camilla. | ||
“Greg Miskiw, Mazer Mahmoud and news desk” were conducting this investigation. Goodman says “unfair” to say what it was | ||
Back 10.00 am tomorrow. We’ll finish tomorrow at 2.30 pm |
Note: All the defendants deny all the charges. The trial continues.
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