Monday 10 March 2014
Summary | ||
Rebekah Brooks faces more Question on Count 1 – Phone Hacking | ||
Brooks third week on the stand | ||
Publicity of Phone Hacking | ||
Greg Miskiw and the Sophie Wessex Story | ||
Rebekah Brooks Cross Examination continues on Count 5 – Illegal Payments | ||
Payments to Police Officers | ||
Public Interest | ||
Prince William Bond Girl picture | ||
Cash Payments | ||
Rebekah Brooks Questioned on MOD Stories | ||
Editorial Approval Needed | ||
Payments to Bettina Jordan-Barber | ||
Rubber Stamp |
Rebekah Brooks faces more Question on Count 1 – Phone Hacking | ||
Brooks third week on the stand | ||
Back at the #hackingtrial – forgotten which week it is. Perhaps week 17 ? No doubt someone will tell me. | ||
Andrew Edis QC, counsel for the prosecution, is continuing with his cross examination of Rebekah Brooks on Count 5 | ||
This is Rebekah Brooks‘ third week in the witness box. She has three large bottles of water beside her, and has a slight cold. | ||
Publicity of Phone Hacking | ||
Edis wants to go back to three things: 1) He asked her if she had seen articles about journalists being in the habit of phone hacking. | ||
Brooks says she re-read the files on Thursday: “It was the Mail on Sunday one I was thinking of…” | ||
Edis: “Do you accept there was publicity… which suggested journalists could and did hack mobile phones?” | ||
Brooks says she remembers the phone companies having a “factory floor” setting. Edis says he has some more articles. | ||
Greg Miskiw and the Sophie Wessex Story | ||
Edis returns to the Sophie Wessex story in April and 2001: Brooks admits she negotiated the exclusive interview with press or private secs | ||
Brook concedes the story appeared extensively for 2 weeks in NOTW, and she was directly involved with Mazer Mahmoud. | ||
“It came from Max Clifford,” says Brooks of disgruntled employee Wessex story. She agrees she had “close involvement’ with story | ||
05/04/01 There’s Greg tasking to Mulcaire for Sophie Rees Jones: it has the name Hugh Stephenson and the name of Coventry. | ||
“The name didn’t ring a bell but I can review the story,” says Brooks. | ||
‘Can you think of any reason this story would need services of ordinary private investigator?” asks Brooks of Sophie Wessex story. | ||
“It would depend on Mazer Mahmoud,” says Brooks: “he ran his own stories… It’s very hard to…” | ||
“What was Greg doing on the story?” asks Edis of Miskiw tasking of Mulcaire. | ||
“That was the final phase investigations unit,” says Brooks. “Mazer worked on his own.” | ||
“You gave Greg a thousand pound bonus,” asks Edis of Miskiw: “What did he do?” Brooks: “He was a department head” | ||
Edis points out that Mahmoud and Thurlbeck also got bonuses for Sophie Wessex story: Brooks “they brought in a big story” | ||
Rebekah Brooks Cross Examination continues on Count 5 – Illegal Payments | ||
Payments to Police Officers | ||
Edis brings up again an email from Sun journalist 03/02/06 “Do you accept police officers were paid for stories during your time at the Sun” | ||
Brooks says she knows of no corrupt payments. Edis queries her on her original use of “rarely’ made payments in previous evidence. | ||
Brooks says sometimes police officers give no work stories but can’t remember an occasion. “So why did you speculate?” asks Edis. | ||
“I probably should have said never and caveatted it,” says Brooks. “Is this just an invented hypothesis,” asks Edis. | ||
“Is your evidence invented around emails you’ve seen, or does it reflect what happened at the Sun” asks Edis. | ||
Brooks: “It’s not invented…. I’ve been looking at emails for three years… It might have happened..” Edis: “But what actually happened?” | ||
“Because I haven’t got access to everything… but the Mayor of Tetbury might be an example of that,” says Brooks of police info off duty | ||
Brooks asked if “off duty” police stories is what she had in mind at Editor of Sun. Brooks says “yes” | ||
“After a while at newspapers nothing surprises you what the source of stories are,’ says Brooks of police evidence. | ||
Public Interest | ||
Brooks says she was probably told by lawyers that off duty stories were OK. She cites the public service defence for payment. | ||
“When I authorised the payment to public official… it would have to be like the Stephen Lawrence thing: that high bar of corruption | ||
Edis says: “Where was it written down at the Sun we don’t pay police officers for information”? Brooks says it was the law and understood | ||
“There was no written rule we do not pay policeman,” says Edis. Brooks: “It’s the law of the land. I don’t believe journos didn’t know” | ||
“It was known at the Sun….. Senior Sun crime reporter… it wouldn’t occur to him to pay police officer,” says Brooks. | ||
“We didn’t have the laws of the land written down… we had a lawyer at the office, day by day, 24/7” says Brooks. | ||
Saunders asks with a slightly different angle about public interest defence justification for payment to police officers. | ||
“If you wanted to break the law… you’d discuss it before it happens” says Brooks, citing Malaysian airline crash and Stephen Lawrence. | ||
Brooks talks about exposing undercover officers and the Stephen Lawrence murder as justifying breaking the law. | ||
Brooks agrees journos would have to make public interest explanation for payment. | ||
Edis points out that Sun email is about a story already run, and no mention of the public interest. | ||
“It’s after the event, no mention of public interest, no one thinks Kate Moss and Peter Doherty… I’m thinking that’s not serving officer” | ||
Brooks says the Sun journalist would know not to pay a serving police officer. | ||
Edis returns to 11/04/06 email about paying a “serving police officer”. Brooks doesn’t remember story or email but has tried to be helpful | ||
The emails talks about Mayor Tetbury and the “basis of a good page lead” and News and Picture desks already paying £1k | ||
Brooks says News and Pictures were allowed to make payments without her approval. Edis asks: “What are they asking you? What’s the system?” | ||
Brooks talks about advance payments for “exclusives”. | ||
Edis asks whether this email suggests the serving police officer may or may not have been paid according to her approval. | ||
“It’s relatively ‘back of the book'” says Brooks of this Tetbury story. “Was this within your rules?” asks Edis. “I hope,” says Brooks. | ||
“I assume the process would be….” Brooks continues about regional journalist contact dept head, going to back bench. | ||
Email talks about paying police source through a photographer and Thomas Cooke: “no record of name of source at the Sun” asks Edis | ||
Brooks talks about paying journos in Afghanistan: “This happened in Cirencester,” points out Edis. | ||
“I would like to keep it anonymous because source is serving police officer,’ says email. Brooks concedes this is could be explanation | ||
Edis cites 18/04/06 email about paying a serving Sandhurst officer £1k for story using same anonymous method | ||
“You know what this story is about” asks Edis. “Yes I do,” says Brooks. Story of senior military officer involved in fatal traffic accident | ||
“Why is it in the public interest to have a picture when the story is already out there?” ask Edis. Brooks says pic might reveal things. | ||
Brooks says pic might reveal car accident driver might have a history of accidents or “raging dislike of the police” | ||
“None of these people who write these emails never say anything about the public interest do they?” says Edis. | ||
“It’s almost as if they don’t know the public interest is the basis you’re going to make this decision,” says Edis. | ||
“All sorts of things may have happened, but you got this email,” says Edis. Brooks: “I would have talked to news editor or picture editor” | ||
Brooks says she would have “found out source was public official” Sandhurst story | ||
Brooks agrees: “She would have found out source was public official before paying” on Sandhurst picture story. | ||
“I may have said, yeah, OK I see why you made that decision” Brooks says of Sandhurst decision. | ||
“The normal procedure is that…. payment to public official where there is risk of prosecution it’s important editor makes that decision” | ||
“It depends what’s sparked the editor’s interest” says Brooks of oversight. “The commission of a crime” suggests Edis. | ||
Prince William Bond Girl picture | ||
15/06/06 Internal Sun email cited about William dressed as a Bond Girl: suggesting picture comes from Sandhurst commander asking for £4k | ||
“I have the guy with the picture over the barrel because I know his identity” says Sun email forwarded to Brooks on paying £4k | ||
“You agreed to paying £4k to someone at Sandhurst for a picture of Prince William in bikini?” asks Edis. | ||
Brooks first thought she says might have been “social setting… get the picture… I’ve looked at timing… Huge England Game” says Brooks | ||
“It was a decider…. kick off time… Normally I’d be on the back bench. My first thought would be ‘let’s get the picture in” says Brooks | ||
Brooks says “It wouldn’t have immediately occurred to me that would be an issue” | ||
Edis: “The email says it’s going to William’s platoon commander – though we know that’s incorrect” | ||
Brooks on the Bikini shot: “If he’s very concerned about the snap appearing in the Sun, it’s very odd he wants to sell it” | ||
“I wouldn’t have thought William’s platoon commander was having a sideline with the Sun,” says Brooks. | ||
“This could have been a public official,” says Brooks. Edis: “Did you snap into action and find out?” Brooks “It was a very public party” | ||
“I’m more concerned about who is going to get the money and what you thought at the time,” asks Edis. Brooks says she doesn’t remember this | ||
Saunders explains why he’s amused: “I’m just smiling about twice wearing Bikini” | ||
Brooks: “We didn’t have a printed version of every rule, we had lawyers on stand by. It wasn’t something I invented, this public interest” | ||
Brooks replied in 11 minutes to this email. “Were you actually watching the football at this time,” asks Edis. Brooks “I may have scanned” | ||
Edis points out of email Sun exec isn’t sure, “that’s why he’s emailing you… you didn’t have much time to think about it did you?” | ||
Brooks explains how busy it would have been on the back bench with impending football results. | ||
“Did you give any of this explanation to the police?” asks Edis. “You had a prepared statement… and a policy not to answer any questions” | ||
Brooks explains of her no comment interviews that her previous lawyer had been talking to police about full interview – but lost lawyer. | ||
29/12/07 email from Senior Sun journo shown to jury about “a source serving alongside” Prince Harry in Afghanistan. | ||
This was during the news blackout “will be a great story when we can report it” | ||
Brooks says she can’t remember if she talked to Sun journo about nature of relationship with source: “I may well have done” | ||
06/01/09 email cited from Sun Journo re “my man at Five”. Brooks “On MI5 and MI6… we discussed whether could steer us in right direction” | ||
Edis asks if this MI5 man was an official ‘contact’ rather than a “confidential source’: | ||
“So you thought it was the press officer, ‘everyone’s man at five” says Edis. “Did you care enough to ask them?” says Edis. | ||
Cash Payments | ||
Edis turns to a defence bundle: “that should be enough paper for what we need to do for the next hour or so” | ||
Edis cites “a list of payments related to Sun newspaper stories related to… army bonking in the Congo… this goes on for 11 pages” | ||
The payments began in 2004 when Brooks was editor: Edis asks her about the rules on cash payments back then. | ||
“I think any cash payment,” says Brooks: “had to be signed by department head and editor of day…. Very similar for Thomas Cooke payments” | ||
Brooks thinks these payments for Congo bonking stories should have been approved by editor, depending on limit | ||
“Did the limit, if there was one, ever change?” asks Edis. Brooks can’t remember over Thomas Cooke. Edis asks: “What’s the point of this?” | ||
Edis says the purpose of the system was “to prevent newspaper paying cash to people who shouldn”t be receiving money from newspaper” | ||
Brooks disagrees: “there wasn’t an assumption that cash payments were nefarious” | ||
“You pay a lot of confidential sources by BACs,” points out Edis. Brooks agrees it’s more “financially efficient” | ||
Edis: “The point of paying someone by cash is that nobody can look at their bank account, maybe their employed, and see they’re paid by Sun” | ||
“There’s no evidence at his end he’s ever had any money from anybody, that’s the point,” says Edis of cash or Thomas Cook payments | ||
“That could be the reason,” concedes Brooks on anonymity being the motivation for cash payments but adds “they were part of our business” | ||
“Cash payments don’t equal criminality,” says Brooks. “But they can,” says Edis “and point of getting Editor involved” to ensure they didn’t | ||
Brooks says there a “huge tightening” up after Goodman case. Edis asks “are you saying to jury Thomas Cook payments weren’t?” | ||
Brooks says T Cook payments very low at the Sun. Edis: “Precisely so. So it didn’t take much management, did it?” | ||
“Those reasons are multiple,” says Brooks of Thomas Cook payments “and don’t equal something dodgy going on.” | ||
Brooks says her PCC reply was mainly about the docket system of cash payments. “This is invented isn’t it?” says Edis. | ||
“Did you explain that distinction to police in interview” asks Edis. | ||
Saunders intervenes: in cash dockets “they’re getting cash, in Thomas Cook payments they were getting cash.” | ||
Brooks says in PCC letter I’m replying about “cash dockets… though difference with Thomas Cook is minimal…. it’s the same result” | ||
“You say you were asked about cash payments by the PCC in their letters?” asks Edis. “I think so,” says Brooks. | ||
Edis goes back to list of payments for Bonking Congo stories at the Sun and the need for editor’s approval. | ||
“Who usually edited the Sun?” asks Edis. “I did,” says Brooks. | ||
Brooks explains marketing, production and circulation meetings: “your role as editor was not just to sit at that desk” | ||
Brooks agrees her job was “journalistic standards… such as whether it’s a good idea to pay someone for a story who was public official” | ||
“This particular source provided stories to the Sun for five years… did you ever ask who source was?” “No, I did not,” says Brooks. | ||
“Why not?” asks Edis. “Senior journalists keep sources to themselves” says Brooks. | ||
“These stories come from all over the world,” says Edis. “Quite a lot of them concern matters of military discipline, don’t they?” | ||
“I saw them on an individual basis,” says Brooks: “There were breaches of the army code.” | ||
“They have another characteristic,” says Edis: “Wherever they are coming from… they were giving you stuff essentially true” | ||
“It doesn’t sound like it’s a man in a pub in Aldershot,” says Edis. “No, they don’t” agrees Brooks. | ||
“Your newspaper paid over £80k to this particular connection… did you know about that?” asks Edis. | ||
Brooks says she would look at name of reporter “and often respond with congratulations… I did not assume x was paying public official” | ||
“I know it seems unrealistic, when you see it like this… but this is not how it was presented to me at the newsroom.” says Brooks. | ||
Edis asks about procedure: some authorised by her, others by other Sun staff “and a larger number that do not have emails” | ||
Edis points out that from the “emails that survive” there do not appear to be authorisations for most military contact sources. | ||
“The records ought to survive rather than being lost in the various email calamities, but we only have what we have” Edis on authorisation | ||
“I couldn’t hand on heart say that was the system throughout my editorship,” says Brooks: “I’m caveatting my financial memory” | ||
Rebekah Brooks Questioned on MOD Stories | ||
Editorial Approval Needed | ||
Edis turns to the timeline of MOD stories: first three in 2004 authorised by senior Sun editors. | ||
Brooks concedes editorial approval needed in 2004 for MOD stories. | ||
Following 3-4 pages of stories “but no evidence of authorisation appears to have survived by any editor” says Edis. | ||
Edis asks whether senior Sun editors on “cash payments to confidential source.. he would do as you did” Brooks says yes. | ||
“Did you ever discuss that with him?” asks Edis of other senior Sun execs making cash payments to public officials. | ||
Brooks recalls the example of Hayden source on the Anthrax story. Edis reminds her: “And he was convicted of a criminal offence” | ||
Edis moves on to one more page before a break. Saunders explains only going on till 2pm today. | ||
Edis turns to beginning “evidence that has been discovered” of Brooks authorising MOD payment. She does not recall if authorised beforehand | ||
“Can you actually remember getting this “Captain Boozy” request for 2k in October 2006?” “Not particularly, no” says Brooks. | ||
Edis points out email dated around Goodman arrests “so you’d be particularly sensitive would you?” | ||
“You’re approving approximately a thousand pounds a month to this source, did you know that?” says Edis. Brooks “That must be right” | ||
“I was looking at the stories in isolation” says Brooks. “It didn’t occur to you that it came from the same source?” asks Edis. | ||
“I think it’s obvious when you put them together that “my top military person’ is the same person…. each day at Sun making 100 decisions” | ||
“I would have thought senior military person or journalist at the time, if I saw them in context” says Brooks. | ||
“The question was “did you think they were the same source”?” asks Edis. Brooks “I certainly thought contact in email was from one source.” | ||
Saunders asks Brooks if editors ask journalists about ‘category of source’. Brooks would says it would be fair on sensitive stories. | ||
“The buck stops with the editor,” says Saunders: “There’s nothing to stop the editor asking about confidential sources.” | ||
Brooks says she never thought it necessary to ask her Sun journo about the category of their source. 30 minute break. | ||
Back at #hackingtrial after break. | ||
Saunders reminds us and the jury Goodman’s arrest in 2006 was over phone hacking and not payments to public officials. | ||
Saunders reiterates his question: “were you inhibited in anyway in asking any way the ‘category’ of a source”. | ||
Edis returns to arrest of Goodman – who was accused of paying Mulcaire £12,300 in cash using false name of ‘Alexander’ | ||
“That’s why you replied…. to PCC in March next year,” says Edis of cash payments “for commission of crime” | ||
“That’s why you included it in your letter,” says Edis of PCC letter about controls on cash payments: “a matter of real concern” in 2006 | ||
“The concern was about phone hacking, but I accept we talked about cash payments in the PCC letter” says Brooks. | ||
“Main concern was phone hacking” says Brooks. “And how to stop it,” adds Edis “by stopping people getting paid” | ||
“The fact that cash payments could be abused was highlighted by the case,” says Brooks. | ||
“Everyone would be concerned who was getting the money and what for,” says Edis: “Were you concerned about that?” | ||
“I would say we were more concerned,” says Brooks of cash payments after Goodman arrest. (Part of the charge was cash payments to Mulcaire) | ||
Edis points to email from the day before Goodman plea hearing 28/11/06 “a big day in the life of your employers.” | ||
“You’d have known, you were editor of national newspaper” says Edis. The day before Mulcaire pleaded Brooks authorised £4k to MOD official | ||
Brooks responded in a minute: “Not asking any questions at all,” Edis points out of Sun journo’s top military contact. | ||
“One source bringing stories from three different places, wanting quite a lot of money” says Edis. “It wasn’t a lot of money” says Brooks. | ||
“Not a lot of money to the Sun, but quite a lot of money to the person getting it,” says Edis to Brooks point that Sun budget was £58million | ||
“Depends on who was getting it” says Brooks of the £4k she approved that day. | ||
“I would have thought it was good value for money…. whoever his source was,” says Brooks. | ||
Brooks says she never thought it was a public official. | ||
“In the 60 seconds between receipt and reply did the thought “is this person a public official’ cross your mind?” ask Edis. | ||
Saunders: “Did you apply your mind at all to the issue this would be a public official?” Brooks: “Probably not” | ||
“You presumably knew all you needed to know about this transaction because you approved it in less than a minute” says Edis. | ||
Edis moves onto another document in this bundle. October 2007 – a year on – Brooks authorises a payment on Wiliam’s major killed by Taliban | ||
“What was it about that story that was a ‘belting exclusive splash'” says Edis, quoting email. The fact he was killed already publicised. | ||
The MOD fatality list published online on the Sunday. Edis: “You had the connection with William – was that the belting exclusive splash?| | ||
Edis asks about ‘Sandhurst Sex Scandal’: £4k payment to ‘same contact’: Brooks replied “Brilliant scoop” | ||
Edis talks about the official press release timetable after the family have been informed when soldiers killed on active service. | ||
“What you get by paying for it, is that you get it first before any else?” asks Edis. | ||
“I think in this circumstance, the exclusive was the connection with Prince William,” says Brooks. Edis: “You get that on your front page” | ||
“There’s no particular public interest in this coming out a day earlier… the interest is yours, a commercial interest,” says Edis. | ||
Saunders points out that, in previous evidence, Brooks had said that she wouldn’t have paid in public interest for stories coming out anyway | ||
Brooks also agrees there’s no public interest in the Sandhurst Sex Scandal also in email “just a follow-up” | ||
Payments to Bettina Jordan-Barber | ||
“This £4k paid to Bettina Jordan-Barber, is not justified by any public interest at all” Edis. Brooks talks about change of Al Qaeda tactics | ||
Edis points out their was an inquest into the major’s death “during which matters of that sort are a matters of evidence” | ||
Edis asks about Brooks’ PS to the email about a health campaign: “she can’t remember what it was about… perhaps a cancer campaign” | ||
Edis talks about story about contaminated blood in armed services which the Sun ran. Brooks is pretty sure it wasn’t that. | ||
Brooks says the dates don’t quite work “the Pentagon didn’t tell the MOD till after this date” | ||
Brooks says she’s looked over some old editions of the Sun trying to research this comment. | ||
Edis turns now to 2009 email authorising payment to Bettina Jordan-Barber. | ||
06/02/09 email adduced. Payments for “No 1 military contact… for 2 big exclusives” female soldier loses leg, and senior officer in leaks. | ||
Edis says the exclusive bit about injured female soldier “was her name”: story had emerged in November 2008. | ||
Edis points out that the new things were name, photograph and full amputation. | ||
“What you’ve bought for £1.5k is her name and photograph? You tell me. What have you bought?” asks Edis | ||
“Might have been the details… Sun journo is asking for money for,” says Brooks. | ||
Edis talks of a story of senior officer leaking stuff to human rights group: “It came from multiple sources?” | ||
“What did you get from this source that was worth £2k?” asks Edis. “I think the story,” says Brooks. “What? All of it?” replies Edis | ||
“I don’t ask x which bit of the story came from Number One military contact,” says Brooks to this Sun exclusive. | ||
Edis quotes from the Sun article about leaks to human rights group: “a senior source says” | ||
04/02/09 is the publication of the story 06/02/09 the authorising email follows. Brooks: “I think there’s two sides to this story” | ||
Edis goes through article “quite a lot of detail there… 2 days after that story appeared… you got this email…. what did you think?” | ||
“I would have thought it’s senior journo asking for 2k for an important exclusive we’d run two days earlier,’ says Brooks. | ||
“This is 2009,” not as long ago as some of the other emails, Edis points out. Brooks says she’s refreshed her memory since reading for case | ||
“Do you remember where you thought he’d got it from?” asks Edis. “I didn’t think it was a public official,” says Brooks | ||
Six weeks later, in March 2009, email uses same expression “my No 1 military contact” and “uses that same expression generally” says Edis. | ||
Four stories cited in email for £3k “none of which justifies a public interest defence” Brooks said in previous evidence. | ||
Brooks accepts the RMP were already investigating an expenses story, so wasn’t being covered up. | ||
Rubber Stamp | ||
BREAKING: Brooks admits she was just acting as a ‘rubber stamp’ for payments to Number 1 Military Contact. | ||
Brooks is quizzed about what “best military contact’ and how that works. Brooks said they had many ex military officers. | ||
“But they wrote under their own name… not the same as a confidential source selling stories for money”, says Brooks. | ||
Brooks says the Sun had an ex senior officer selling stories for “quite a long time” but for “very little” – not 1000s of pounds | ||
Edis grills Brooks on whether this ex military source covered the whole world and was always stood up by MOD. Brooks says “quite a lot” | ||
More payments to Bettina Jordan Barber: “two payments for same story” says Edis. Brooks agrees. | ||
“Prize Medals must not be Bling” is an accompanying Sun column by named former military officer (not her source says Brooks) | ||
Both Sun stories cite same source saying gallantry medals were “overblown” | ||
“We’re now on £9.5k for military contact in 2009” says Edis “Did you really make no connection between these emails when they came to you?” | ||
“If look at the emails… a couple of months later…. possibly… that he has a very good military contact,” says Brooks. | ||
“By logic…. I don’t remember… but I assume I must have made a connection” says Brooks. | ||
Edis “If we hadn’t shown you this emails would this have been something you’d have forgotten?” Brooks: “The emails have jogged memory” | ||
Another email authorising payment of £4k for front page splash “taking our running total for 2009 to about £13.5k” says Edis. | ||
“That means “Ace Military’ contact provided story worth putting on front page?” asks Edis. “Yes,’ says Brooks. Authorised same day. | ||
Edis points out military source well placed to get stories from Sandhurst and Afghanistan: “Did you think about that?” Brooks: “not really” | ||
“What were you thinking about when you got these emails?” asks Edis. Brooks says she was thinking about seniority of the journalist. | ||
“So you’ve decided not to do your job because you thought he was doing his, is that what it comes to?” asks Edis. | ||
Saunders asks “was your job to supervise journalists.” Brooks said “I think I did…. but didn’t read these emails and think criminality” | ||
“There was an obvious risk this was a public official,” says Edis. Brooks accepts that “if you read all these emails together” | ||
Edis points out six emails in just one year “anyone reading these emails … would conclude there was a risk…” | ||
“Unless you’re the journalist themselves and putting story together” says Brooks: “That’s now how I saw them and analysed them” | ||
“You were chosen for your job because you were good for it. You would remember how a story was treated in a paper.” says Edis. | ||
“You would have a good memory of what was in the papers you edited” says Edis. “I’d remember the big ones, yes” says Brooks. | ||
Another £4k payment for “a story about a haircut” and other stories that Brooks has previously said probably not have a public interest | ||
Edis cites story of TA volunteer dying in civilian hospital with Swine Flu “complicating existing health problems” | ||
Brooks says “there might have been public interest in swine flu if the MOD tried to cover up” | ||
MOD apologised for saying it was “existing health problems” | ||
“As it’s perfectly obvious you’d run that story last week,” says Edis. Brooks explains she was being ‘hypothetical’ about coverup. | ||
“We’ve got £4k none of which qualifies as public interest,” says Edis. Brooks disagrees “it doesn’t pass the high bar to pay public official | ||
“Here’s £4k paid to public official, and none of it should have gone to her according to your evidence,” says Edis. Brooks agrees. | ||
“Because of your high test, none of this should have gone to this woman. And it’s your job to make sure it didn’t happen” said Edis. | ||
“Nowhere in this documentation is the phrase ‘public interest’ mentioned by anybody” says Edis. Brooks agrees not. | ||
“You say this is because this didn’t occur to you because it never occurred to you she was a public official,” says Edis. “That’s right” | ||
“I’ve put it right to you, it never occurred to you that she might be a public official,” says Edis. “No it didn’t” says Brooks. | ||
Break till 10 am tomorrow morning. |
Note: All the defendants deny all the charges. The trial continues.
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