Friday 28 February 2014
Summary | ||
Rebekah Brooks Defence Continues on Count 5 – Illegal Payments | ||
Justice Saunders explains tiring nature of giving evidence | ||
Counsel for Brooks continues on payments to MoD Officials | ||
Sun Story on lack of Army equipment in Afghanistan | ||
Breaches of Official Secrets Act | ||
Story on Female Soldier giving birth in Barracks | ||
Story on Military Expenses Fraud | ||
Fake Military Honours | ||
Sun story on Afghani stowaway in Army Base | ||
Rebekah Brooks questioned on more examples of paying Public Officials | ||
George Michael Story | ||
Story on Kate Moss and Pete Doherty | ||
Payment for picture of Cop Killer | ||
Story on Anthrax | ||
MP’s Expenses |
Rebekah Brooks Defence Continues on Count 5 – Illegal Payments | ||
Justice Saunders explains tiring nature of giving evidence | ||
Back at the #hackingtrial for the last day of a long week. Rebekah Brooks continuing with her defence – 6 days in the witness box | ||
Saunders tells jury “quite a tiring process… even more tiring for the witnesses. | ||
BREAKING: hacking trial will finish at lunchtime because Rebekah Brooks is exhausted after 6 days in witness box | ||
Counsel for Brooks continues on payments to MoD Officials | ||
Laidlaw continues with the Elveden – conspiracy to commit misconduct in public office – charges against Brooks. | ||
Laidlaw is going through the emails authorising payment to MOD official, Bettina Jordan Barber, and related Sun stories. | ||
Sun Story on lack of Army equipment in Afghanistan | ||
Laidlaw is looking at an article a female soldier losing a limb. Brooks was in the office that day. | ||
Brooks talks about travelling around Afghanistan with General Dannatt and how other Sun journos took Page3 girls to Camp Bastion | ||
Brooks says it wasn’t obvious to her the story came from public official: “I assumed it came from a member of the team” (other Sun journos) | ||
“One of the public interest elements of this story was the kind of injuries suffered in Helmand,” says Brooks | ||
“When we were out there…. was the lack of equipment to cope with IEDs…. and women on the frontline,” says Brooks of public interest | ||
“How much of the detail (wd have come out)… I think probably no. We could have got this from our sources without paying public officials” | ||
Breaches of Official Secrets Act | ||
04/02/09 front page Sun article cited by Jonathan Laidlaw QC, counsel for Brooks | ||
The article concerns breaches of the Official Secrets Act in Afghanistan: Brooks was in the office that day. Would have seen article | ||
“This story is a particularly good example of the ‘pie situation’, of how many sources go into a story,” says Brooks | ||
“Unless its brought to me on the day about whether to pay a public official on the day… at conference…. I put it on page one….” | ||
“I wasn’t looking at corrupt payments to officials. I was looking a the public interest, how sensitive it was, Official Secrets” says Brooks | ||
“Depends when it came in,” says Brooks of when she would have first seen the story. Laidlaw explores hypothetical of coming in at conference | ||
Brooks explains how Sun journalists would have been researching the story and presented to news editors. | ||
“If all the risks had been discussed…. everyone was comfortable…. I”m looking as an editor at things that are ready to go,” says Brooks | ||
Laidlaw asks “a rather absurd hypothetical given nature of the story… it’s only available to us if we pay a public official” | ||
“From my perspective most these military did warrant ‘overwhelmingly in the public interest’,” says Brooks: “The idea there is some coverup | ||
“Some coverup of the number of civilian casualties… such a senior ranking colonel leaking any info to human rights group,” Brooks on PI | ||
“I’m sure I would have said yes,” says Brooks to paying a public official for this story | ||
06/02/09 Authorisation sought for “number one military contract” and Thomas Cook payments for £3.5k: Brooks replies “yes” | ||
“Certainly the army colonel would be,” says Brooks about whether the Sun stories would be in her mind. She says she trusted the reporter | ||
Brooks: “I’m not policing this document… I answered it in a minute… nothing had been brought to my attention. 100,000 stories a year” | ||
“I’m surprised at my lack of congratulation actually,” says Brooks of authorising email. | ||
Next email is 20/03/09: the volume of Sun military stories since the previous email is shown to the jury | ||
Diary shows Brooks was in Russia on the 28/02/09 – she once went on holiday to Russia, but also for News Corp | ||
Story on Female Soldier giving birth in Barracks | ||
04/03/09 Sun article about a female soldier giving birth in barracks. Brooks says nothing particularly seems like it comes from official | ||
“Clearly there is an army source.. that wouldn’t be flagging up to me payment to a public official,” says Brooks | ||
Brooks “Female soldier who concealed pregnancy for that long… maybe there was a welfare issue…. I can’t see how I would justify this” | ||
07/03/09 Sun article about a soldier having a fling cited by Laidlaw. | ||
Brooks points out “MOD confirmation… the original tip could have come from embassy, from Kabul” | ||
“You know I said we had a lot of retired military writing for the paper” Brooks explains the variety of possible sources “including wives” | ||
“If we had had a discussion it would have been around the Armed Services Act… not a moral discussion… but breaching army code” | ||
“I don’t think I would have done,” says Brooks of authorising payment to public officials on this story | ||
Brooks was flying to Italy on a News Corp the day the before the next Sun story appeared on 10/03/09 but would have seen on 11/03/09 | ||
“On march 11th if I was back in the office I would have absolutely have read it. But if you asked me 3 years later, let alone 4 years later” | ||
Brooks says there’s nothing about this military sex source – original tip – “you don’t highlight the source in the story.” | ||
“In that strict army code of conduct they have…. the unfairness of the male officer keeping his job,” Brooks talks about public interest | ||
“It doesn’t look to have been written on the basis it was very unfair to women,” observes Justice Saunders of this Sun article. | ||
Story on Military Expenses Fraud | ||
Another Sun article 20/03/09 about an expenses fraud among the military is now cited by Laidlaw. Brooks wasn’t away that day | ||
Brooks: “There was certainly a concern about expense fraud happening in the military… Can’t remember if MPs expenses was at the same time” | ||
“We’d been campaigning about the paltry pay… for soldiers. This didn’t really fit in the campaign,” Brooks says of story. | ||
Brooks “It does present a public interest dilemma…. I would have looked at it. I’m not sure had we had the debate I would be comfortable” | ||
Email the same day requesting Thomas Cook payments for No 1 Military contacts, listing the most recent of 4 articles first. | ||
“I would have just looked at his email and though four lots of £750… that’s good value,” says Brooks of authorising email 2 minutes later | ||
Fake Military Honours | ||
Laidlaw holds up a bundle of papers indicative of other Sun articles on military stories before the next (9th) email is cited. | ||
02/05/09 Sun article is about fake medals in the military. Brooks was in the Irish office on the Friday | ||
The Sun article is about an RMP investigation into untrue reports leading to gallantry awards. Brooks “I wouldn’t have known who source was” | ||
“I’m not looking at this story policing it for payments to public officials… I would have seen this story in Irish office,” she says. | ||
“I think the public interest is in the story: first time this has happened in 300yrs. The military take great pride in their honours sytem” | ||
“The fact there may be a conspiracy to fake this honours system is overwhelmingly in the public interest,” says Brooks. | ||
The following Monday is the next Sun edition cited. Brooks was back from Ireland. | ||
“The way the Sunday editing rota, me and my deputy would always check in… what the front page is,” says Brooks. | ||
The 04/05/09 follow up in the Sun on fake medals cited. Brooks answers the “public interest” hypothetical | ||
“If this was the only way to get the story, I would have taken responsibility for paying that public official,” says Brooks, hypothetically | ||
27/05/09 The military source, Bettina Jordan Barber leaves land forces secretariat | ||
Brooks responses to email asking for authorisation of Thomas Cook payments for the two fake medal articles within 15 minutes. | ||
Before 10th email there are a dozen or so pieces in the Sun concerning military style stories. | ||
Sun story on Afghani stowaway in Army Base | ||
Front page article in the Sun on 18/06/09 is about Afghani stowaway in army base and a serious lapse in security. | ||
News International party on 17/06/09 but in evening, so Brooks would have been there the working day. | ||
“So many different elements to it, Border Agency, Bus Driver, Sandhurst,” Brooks says of piece, wouldn’t have suspected single source | ||
“I obviously think it has huge public interest,” Brooks says to hypothetical about paying a public official: “this is not going to come out” | ||
“It’s a very good story…. if (I was given) the chance to take responsibility for it, I would have done,” says Brooks of paying official | ||
Email authorisation cites “great do last night” and then how Radio 4 followed up story: asks for £4k for top military contact for one story | ||
“The News Corp board were in town that week,” Brooks: “I remember it because Charlie and I got married week before, couldn’t take honeymoon” | ||
“Almost there with these emails,” says Laidlaw. | ||
“At that party there would have been senior military there, security services, senior politicians including the Prime Minister” say Brooks | ||
“Not in any complaint,” says Brooks about any politician or senior official mentioning the Sun story at News International party. | ||
“No one said to you, as far as you can remember, where did you get that from?” asks Saunders. Brooks replies “No”. | ||
25/06/09 Sun article about US military complaining of appearance of British troops. | ||
“This is the kind of things that drives bureaucracy mad,” says Brooks of this story. But no public interest in paying official. | ||
Another story is about security panic around a senior officer losing his phone: it touches on other missing kit and China. | ||
09/07/09 is the date of this story. Laidlaw confuses dates with Milly Dowler and apologises. | ||
09/07/09 Brooks was at work. “Not going to know…. who tipped off from reading this story…. much more about Chinese espionage.” | ||
“I don’t think I would have paid a public official,” says Brooks. “Even though China was considered at this time important.” | ||
19 editions of the Sun before the next MOD official sourced story. 01/08/09: | ||
Laidlaw says “rather glamorously you were with the Queen in meetings” “No, ‘query meetings’,” corrects Brooks. Laughter in court | ||
Serious tone as a story about soldier in amputation discussed. Brooks mentions defence minister saying “not a shot would be fired” | ||
Brooks talks about the “government fallout” of the “bloody battles in Helmand” | ||
“You’d have to really convinced the MOD were trying to cover this up to justify this payment,” says Brooks | ||
04/08/09 Sun story on death of soldier through disease is followed later by authorising email on day of publication | ||
“At the time, the swine flu epidemic was public safety and public interest… four barracks have got the virus,” says Brooks | ||
Justice Saunders points out it’s territorial army. Brooks wonders if there’s any follow. “I’m not sure,” she says of paying officials | ||
Final of 11 emails 04/08/09 seeking authorisation for £4,000 in Thomas Cook payments for 4 stories from “top military contact” | ||
02/09/09 Brooks ends her editorship of the Sun | ||
Half an hour break. | ||
Back after half an hour break in #hackingtrial. Brooks is exhausted so we’ll break early today, at lunch time | ||
Rebekah Brooks questioned on more examples of paying Public Officials | ||
George Michael Story | ||
Final topics on Count 5: miscellaneous emails and times she contemplated paying a public official | ||
Jury shown an email from 01/07/05 about George Michael from a Sun journalist about a “tipster who says he is a policeman” | ||
The email talks of an arrest under the Road Traffic Act and a “refused charge” | ||
The email is forwarded to Brooks “sounds about right but without a cough not going very far”: Brooks replies “leave it with me” | ||
Brooks says she sees no indication of money changing hands with alleged police tipster. | ||
“Whoever this police officer is he’s clearly not asking for any money and he’s clearly not anybody’s source,” says Brooks of Michael tip | ||
Brooks explains the “leave it with me”: “I knew the people who represented George Michael reasonably well.” | ||
03/02/06 email from Sun journo saying Dick Fedorcio has alleged senior politician as a source of the leak on the ‘stockwell coverup” | ||
Email to Brooks ends: “I’m not sure it’s wise putting this kind of thing down on email where there is a permanent record.” | ||
Story on Kate Moss and Pete Doherty | ||
Email also asks for £500 for an exclusive on Kate Moss and Pete Doherty. | ||
“Our relationship from Scotland Yard was pretty good.. the Sun even sponsored the Yard football team,” Brooks says of police connections | ||
“It could read both ways – I don’t want to put information about sources on email…. he didn’t want this payment discussed on email” | ||
“It could be he didn’t want to name the Stockwell source on email,” says Brooks of last line. “It sounds a bit chippy the last line” | ||
11/04/06 email to Brooks on anonymous cash payment to “serving officer” cited by Laidlaw about “mayor of Tetbury wife swapping” | ||
The email asks for £1k to be authorised via Thomas Cook: “I don’t recall,” says Brooks of authorising this payment. | ||
Brooks is asked the hypothetical about authorising: “I was absolutely aware of illegality and even higher threshold of public interest” | ||
“Police officers are just like any of us… there’s nothing wrong if the copper is living next door to the Mayor of Tetbury” says Brooks | ||
Brooks also says it’s highly unusual for a district reporter to come to her. | ||
Payment for picture of Cop Killer | ||
18/04/06 email to Brooks shown to jury asking for £1k cash payment for picture of ‘cop killer Steven Graham’ “guy works at Sandhurst” | ||
Brooks cannot recall if she authorised this payment request from someone at Sandhurst. | ||
“Sun were very supportive of the police, getting the picture of a cop killer was in the public interest… I don’t remember being involved” | ||
06/01/09 email to Brooks, Mohan and Kavanagh about a “Man at Five” and “Jewish targets… as a result of Gaza” | ||
Brooks sees no indication of any misconduct of a public official. Kavanagh accompanied Brooks on visits to MI6. Other journo to MI5 | ||
“There as a time when MI5 were trying to be a little bit more open,” says Brooks of this email | ||
29/10/07 email to Brooks about “Prince Harry situation” and news blackout while he was serving in Afghanistan | ||
Email about Prince Harry moving to the front line as a forward air controller in Afghanistan and “dodging bullets… in the thick of it” | ||
“Absolutely not,” says Brooks of any implication of misconduct of the public official. Email about Harry’s bravery “for guidance” only | ||
29/03/06 email to Brooks about Huntley and Whiting interviewed at Wakefield jail. | ||
“My mind has gone,” says Brooks of the context. Edis reminds Laidlaw of a joint admission that money was collected by a journalist for this | ||
“The prison source could be another prisoner or a journalist,” Brooks says of this email | ||
BREAKING: Brooks explains the two occasions she authorised or contemplated paying a public official. | ||
Story on Anthrax | ||
The first is a story about anthrax while she was Acting Editor of the Sun in late 90s. | ||
“The editor had nothing to do with this, it was my decision,” says Brooks. “A source ran the Sun news desk.” | ||
“What they said and what we published was quite different,” says Brooks of sensitive material. | ||
“They had reason to believe the security services were covering up a plot by Saddam Hussein to bring anthrax into the country” says Brooks | ||
Correction: my BREAKING should be not ‘the’ two but “two of the handful” of occasions Brooks admits paying public official. | ||
Brooks recalls getting a call from Downing Street while the team were working on the story | ||
Brooks says she was called into meeting at Downing Street with various security services and some lawyers | ||
“There had been an all ports warning about the methods by which this anthrax was coming in,” says Brooks of running this story | ||
BROOKS “The political editor Trevor Kavanagh… was with me at this meeting. When I got back I authorised the money to go to public official | ||
24/03/98 Sun headline shown to jury about Saddam putting Anthrax in Duty Frees. Brooks says Kavanagh nothing to do with payment decision | ||
The public official was identified as chief petty officer and prosecuted for breach of Official Secrets Act following inquiry. | ||
“We did our best to protect his identity as best as possible,” says Brooks. “MI5… managed to work out who it was.” | ||
Laidlaw says he will pass over other examples where the source hasn’t been exposed. | ||
MP’s Expenses | ||
Brooks now turns to when she contemplated paying for MPs expenses. | ||
“This is an example of sensitive information that required quite a high price tag to it,” says Brooks of MPs expenses. | ||
Brooks says she was approached a month before the Telegraph ran MPs expenses in Spring 2009 with unredacted expenses. | ||
“It was going to cost quite a lot of money, and given where it was coming from, something I had to consider carefully” | ||
“In terms of errors of judgement, I thought about it too long, and drove my news team crazy with my indecision… I should have gone ahead” | ||
Brooks regrets not paying for MPs expenses. CPS said no prosecution because it was “in public interest” | ||
Break till 10 am on Monday |
Note: All the defendants deny all the charges. The trial continues.
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