Monday 18 November 2013
Summary | ||
The Prosecution Case Continues | ||
Back at the Old Bailey | ||
Witness – Justin Walford (Barrister employed by NGN) | ||
Prosecution Counsel questions Justin Walford | ||
Counsel for Andy Coulson cross examines Justin Walford | ||
Counsel for Stuart Kuttner cross examines Justin Walford | ||
Counsel for Rebekah Brooks cross examines Justin Walford | ||
Further Prosecution question to Justin Walford | ||
Witness – Michael Gill (Group Financial Controller of News UK) | ||
Prosecution Counsel questions Michael Gill | ||
Counsel for Rebekah Brooks cross examines Michael Gill | ||
Further Prosecution question to Michael Gill | ||
Witness – Harry Scott (former NOTW journalist) | ||
Prosecution Counsel questions Harry Scott | ||
Counsel for Andy Coulson cross examines Harry Scott |
The Prosecution Case Continues | ||
Back at the Old Bailey | ||
Big police presence, plus Nick Griffin and EDL outside Old Bailey today. Suspect nothing to do with #hackingtrial | ||
Witness – Justin Walford (Barrister employed by NGN) | ||
Prosecution Counsel questions Justin Walford | ||
We’re back, with Anthony Edis QC, calling a number of former News International employees, starting with Justin Walford | ||
Walford is a barrister employed by NGN since December 2005 in the legal department #hackingtrial | ||
Walford used to report to Tom Crone, and was promoted in 2011 with responsibility for the Sun, and the NOTW when Crone was away | ||
Walford: “Crone was technically legal director over all 4 titles – the NOTW, Sun, Times and Sunday Times… but spent most time with NOTW | ||
Counsel for Andy Coulson cross examines Justin Walford | ||
Langdale for Coulson cross examines Walford about Tom Crone: “He spent most of his time in the NOTW offices….” | ||
Walford: “Crone had been there a very long period of time….I’d consult him for any major legal settlement, consult him on a big Sun story” | ||
Walford: “Tom Crone worked a NOTW week starting on Tuesday and including Saturday.” | ||
Langdale: “Was it clear that Andy Coulson valued his (Crone’s) advice and consulted him?” Walford: “Yes it was.” | ||
Walford confirms that Coulson was keen to get stories “legalled” | ||
Walford involved in ‘libel reading’ – getting hold of copy intended to be published, adding ‘alleged’, removing paras, with balanced quotes | ||
Walford on no-win and no-fee arrangements: it would double costs. The burden on proof always on newspaper or broadcaster. | ||
In practice Walford would instruct lawyers and counsel on pre-publication injunction threats, rather than do in house | ||
Walford also dealt with post-publication legal complaints, and decide whether to settle or defend. If the latter, went to outside counsel | ||
Walford would take instructions with editor and managing editor (Kuttner) of the NOTW – the latter about PCC complaints matters | ||
Walford worked on the Express beforehand, and his advice was sought on PCC matters. He’d also deal with buy up contracts, usually predrafted | ||
Walford confirms to Langdale QC that he advised on matters of conduct – such as drugs in undercover operations | ||
Walford on investigations such a Mazher Mahmood “a number of convictions over the years through its journalism” | ||
Walford would replace Crone when he was away, and assist libel readings when he was busy | ||
Walford also gave advice about legality of methods of obtaining information: e.g. subterfuge, confidential material | ||
The NOTW didn’t have night lawyer because of weekly publication, unlike the Sun. | ||
Langdale QC: “So the Sun and NOTW had a full co-operation with the police?” Walford: “Yes… and convictions as a result” | ||
Prior to arrest of Mr Goodman in 2006 and sentencing in 2007 Walford can “recall no time” when he was asked to give advice on phone hacking | ||
Walford can’t remember anything than made him think that a story from this time (post 2006) had been obtained by phone hacking | ||
Walford recalls Tom Crone gave training in a “school of excellence” which covered legal issues: do’s and don’ts of journalism | ||
After the Goodman incident, Walford got involved in some training for NOTW because Tom Crone was busy | ||
Walford says the PCC code on privacy, accuracy and undercover work was taken very seriously by the editors and the paper | ||
Langdale asks Walford about “checking sources of information…” he agrees broad responsibility for this rested in the editorial team | ||
Saunders confirms “conduct matters rested with editor and managing” but because of volume of material “departments and desk editors” | ||
Walford “you tended to be bought into stories quite late…. so the focus is on libel and privacy…. on that copy for tomorrow” | ||
Walford: “I don’t tend to find out about journalist’s sources… they’re very personal to them… and naturally very protective” | ||
Langdale to Walford on sources: “If they made that information public it might come to the attention of the source….” | ||
‘Might there come occasions when the provenance of the source became an issue?” Walford “Yes breach of confidence matters…” | ||
Walford: “My experience is that by and large lawyers don’t go and try to find out the name of the source… court orders complicate matters” | ||
Walford on dangers of court orders and knowing the name; “there was an added burden not to go into exact details of a source” | ||
Walford said he never felt any financial pressure from the proprietors: “I give advice… if the editors don’t like it it’s their problem” | ||
Walford agrees that “from what he saw” Andy Coulson took Tom Crone’s advice, and would take seriously legal advice | ||
Counsel for Stuart Kuttner cross examines Justin Walford | ||
Caplan representing Stuart Kuttner, former NOTW managing editor, asks Walford about how hard working he was. | ||
Caplan asks Walford the ‘legalling’ process: Sun had night lawyers coming in at 6pm-10.15pm. But NOTW was legalled on a Saturday | ||
Walford says that on a major story risking a superinjunction (mainly privacy problems) leading counsel would be bought in, even back in 2006 | ||
Walford said rise of superinjunctions came from a growing recognition in the noughties from lawyers of the power of privacy over libel law | ||
In the Sun there is a ‘leg-in’ legal box, according to NI internal lawyer, with legal marks that needed to be checked before publication | ||
On the NOTW “much to my shame” Walford says, he knew of no such ‘leg-in’ system. He’d make notes direct on copy and hand to sub. | ||
Caplan, counsel for Kuttner, asks if most the copy would have been read by a lawyer. Walford says yes. | ||
Caplan asks Walford about ‘cash payments’. Walford “in the case of kiss and tell, mainly the ladies who are paid…. but cash payments rare” | ||
Walford on payments in general: “Not something the lawyers would generally get involved in… I can’t remember it coming into my orbit” | ||
Walford agrees there has been a ‘change in culture’ in the use of cash payments after the Bribery Act became operational in mid 2011 | ||
“Your hearing means there has been a major change in attitude to cash payments,” Walford says. | ||
Caplan turns to the role of the managing editor, and asks Walford if the title is misleading: “He’s not an editor in the true sense of word” | ||
Walford: “The managing editor does all the business side of the newspaper… staff matters, budgets, contracts… a pretty tough job” | ||
Walford says “Occasionally a managing editor will writer a leader … the political comment… and takes responsibility for it” | ||
Walford agrees Managing Editor would oversee HR department and disciplinary matters, and with complaints made to PCC about NOTW | ||
Caplan asks Walford about private investigators – Walford cannot remember any time he was involved in hiring them. | ||
Walford says he doesn’t know enough about it to agree with Caplan “there are many legitimate functions for private investigators” | ||
Caplan asks Walford about the Data Protection Act regulated by the information commissioner. Was he aware of the two reports in 2006? | ||
Walford agrees that other bodies other than newspapers were criticised for their use of private investigators. | ||
“My feeling there has been a considerable tightening up… of use of private investigators” in newspapers says Walford. | ||
Counsel for Rebekah Brooks cross examines Justin Walford | ||
Laidlaw, counsel for Brooks, asks Walford about his cross over with his client from 2005, when his work was with the Sun | ||
Brooks was the editor of the Sun when Walford joined, and remained editor until 2009 when she became CEO. | ||
Laidlaw asks about Walford’s work for the Sun about “professionalism and standards”. | ||
Though associated with “page three” and “celebrity stories” Walford agrees the Sun is a “national institution… provide proper news.” | ||
Walford: “the Sun…campaigned on certain issues and would expose wrong doing…had something to say to a certain section of the population” | ||
“Most fair minded people would agree Sun has a high degree of professionalism… don’t get to work on it unless a very good journalist” | ||
Walford an Brooks: “She was very passionate about the paper… and we had many arguments about what she wanted in the paper.” | ||
Walford on Brooks: “Like most editors….she knew the rudiments of the law, as they jolly well should do. And the PCC code…” | ||
Walford “to the best of my recollection I cannot remember being asked to advise on it (the legality of phone hacking)… or Mulcaire.” | ||
Asked by Laidlaw about hearing about Mulcaire before 2006: Walford “My recollection is that I cannot remember it” | ||
After the Goodman conviction, Walford “did ask a number of people” and was given assurances phone hacking hadn’t happened on the Sun | ||
Laidlaw turns to the matter of ‘sources’: “sheer volume of stories published every year…. only respected department editors could monitor” | ||
Walford replies: “The focus of the lawyers was…. inevitably on the final product rather than where the material had come from” | ||
Laidlaw lays out the volume of NOTW stories, each edition with 200 or 300 hundred stories: “including sports stories… yes.” | ||
Laidlaw explains that this is just published stories, many more went unpublished. He then turns back to the six day a week Sun newspaper | ||
Laidlaw, QC for Brooks, points out that the Sun published hundreds of stories a week “and those are only the stories that made the paper” | ||
Walford: “I learned at the NOTW that if you worried about a story during the week you’d find it never actually got published on the Sunday” | ||
Laidlaw explores with Walford the reluctance of journalists to reveal their sources. “Journalists move between publications…” | ||
Walford: “One of the extraordinary thing about the Sun and the NOTW was the tremendous rivalry between them… a fierce competition.” | ||
Walford: “I’d worked in a newspaper group that did cooperated, when I worked at NI I was quite taken aback by the rivalry between (titles)” | ||
Walford agrees to quesiton “it would be quite impossible for an editor to know the source of every story” – “yes, given number of stories” | ||
Walford agrees he did approve the use of private investigators, hired by external lawyers, during litigation | ||
Walford explains about “pre-notification… of a target of investigation” and the growth of privacy injunctions. | ||
Walford explains the Reynold’s defence that gives the press a responsibility in libel to confront and publish a response | ||
Walford’s line is that ‘pre notification’ is the Sun’s practice even though it can tip a target off and therefore risk a privacy injunction | ||
Laidlaw points out that pre-notification means getting contact details of a subject, but Walford says “doesn’t jump out as a problem” | ||
Laidlaw on lawyers “note keeping” in newspapers. “Something Lord Leveson pointed to… it is a problem. No systematic system.” | ||
Walford: “Nine times out of ten I’d make marks on the copy on the computer… no systematic recording of advice.” | ||
Laidlaw asks Walford about Sun’s campaigns – like Help the Heroes “Mrs Brooks very much the driver of those… a topic close to her heart” | ||
Further Prosecution question to Justin Walford | ||
Edis for the prosecution questions Walford about the most important thing; “Meaning… and then justification or truth,” he replies | ||
Walford asked what is the key question in privacy: “Is the information you’re seeking to publish, is it itself private?” | ||
Walford on the ‘balancing exercise’ in privacy issues: “is there some public interest, some wrong doing, that outweighs it” | ||
For a prominent story, Walford would discuss a privacy issue with the editor | ||
Edis asks about oversight of contracts, if they were non-standard. Walford says “I might become involved… depend on volume of work” | ||
Walford on Tom Crone’s “School of Excellence” – he thinks precedes the arrest of Mulcaire and Goodman. “I wasn’t involved at that time” | ||
Walford says the issue of phone hacking was included in the training sessions after the arrest. | ||
Edis shows Walford the PCC code of practice for Dec 99 and restriction on clandestine devices and messages, except with public interest | ||
Walford thinks there was some training by managing editors with members of the PCC after arrests, but maybe before. | ||
Edis shows Walford the PCC code of practice 2003 – which is identical to the one four years earlier on phone hacking. | ||
Anthony Edis QC, counsel for the prosecution, asks about ‘only department heads responsible for individual journalists.” | ||
Walford agrees responsibility for department heads laid with the editor and managing editor | ||
Walford explains the review of cash payments after the introduction of the Bribery Act, with a new code of practice. | ||
Walford says Brooks was a “very demanding editor… strong personality, strong views, expected hard work everyone pulling in same direction” | ||
Walford: “She tended to have legal problems dealt with by deputies… but wanted to know in outline the legal problems at the paper” | ||
Walford was involved “very very briefly in phone hacking inquiry at NOTW… when the arrests happened… Tom was away….” | ||
Saunders asks Walford if he advised on stories like taking a gun on a plane of part of an investigation. “Serious though to be given.” | ||
Caplan has another question to follow up on “public interest” – he would seek “outside counsel….a silk to put his head on the block” | ||
Ten minutes break | ||
Witness – Michael Gill (Group Financial Controller of News UK) | ||
Prosecution Counsel questions Michael Gill | ||
Edis for the crown calls Michael Gill, group financial controller of News UK (formerly News International) since March 2008 | ||
Until 2006, Gill was a financial accounting manager – 2006-08 Financial accounting controller. | ||
Gill is the group financial controller for both NGN and Times Group. He manages a large staff and computer system in Peterborough | ||
Edis asks about NGN contributor payment process. Gill “our objective was ensure… payments properly authorised and processed.” | ||
Gill “if process not properly authorised….” Edis “Payment wouldn’t be made: Gill: “That’s right” | ||
Gill explains four different methods of payment 1/ Cash direct 2/Cash through Cook or WU 3/BACs 4/Cheque | ||
Gill explains that a ‘desk head’ would often request payments. Back in 2001 a central team received requests based in London | ||
Gill said the central processing team was disbanded in 2003 and put in respective titles sitting alongside desk heads | ||
Originally the payment authorisation was manual, but became computerised in 2003. | ||
Edis looks closer at the payment approval system and six policy documents. They are put on the screen. | ||
Gill explains ‘approval authorities’ 2002 document, but can’t help for the policy before that date. | ||
Gill explains that different expenses had different authorisers and ‘cost centres’, and limits to amounts. | ||
“Exceptional items… should be signed off at a higher level,” according to the 2003 Payment Authorisation document. | ||
System was then controlled by accounting manager in 2002 (not 03) – which was Michael Gill at the time. | ||
Another document list the different employees authorised to make payments. Some had no limit to how much they could authorise – board level | ||
Category 3 authorisers had a financial limit of 50k. Category 6 had a 5k limit to payments | ||
Edis then brings ups some more notes on authorisation e) Contracts have to reviewed g) Contributors only related to stories and photos | ||
Gill says that only people responsible for certain editorial areas could sign off contributor payments. | ||
Edis now goes to a list of people in each category of authorisation according to department. | ||
In a document dated April 2002: Kuttner and Brooks had 50k authority, everyone else except one was a category 6 lasted till 07/5 | ||
iPad not letting me post – on phone. In 2002 only Brooks and Kuttner had 50k authorisation – including year total payments | ||
OK – let’s try again. Edis is now going through a series of payments made by NOTW news editors | ||
I think i must have exhausted my twitter feed – both phone and iPad wouldn’t work. Hopefully you’ve all got the gist. Payment issues | ||
According to NI policy regular monthly payments should have been referred upwards if total exceeded 5k desk limits | ||
Break for lunch | ||
Along with flags, Jerusalem on speakers, BNP Old Bailey protest banners call for the return of the death penalty | ||
A slightly tetchy and buggy start to week four of the #hackingtrial with @twitter allowing me to RT but not post for a while | ||
Can’t say the BNP protest outside the Old Bailey is overwhelming pic.twitter.com/juUY1ofucc | ||
Back with Michael Gill – Edis summarises the contributor rules – each person would have an individual account in SAP software | ||
Gills explains two ‘generic vendor account codes’ were used for NOTW and the Sun for cash payments if recipient not named | ||
“If the recipient was named” cash payments would go onto an individual user account name, that the revenue could check for tax implications | ||
An unnamed account required NI to pay the tax: the two generic anonymous codes were ‘confidential’ or ‘insufficient address details’ | ||
In pre 03 manual system of payments there was three copy carbon system: white (receipt), blue (accounts) and pink (editorial) copies | ||
The approval for cash payments prior to 02 came from the managing editors office – Kuttner and Spink | ||
In the early days, according to Gill, cash would be collected from a ‘cashiers office’ in Wapping until 2009 | ||
The money would be collected from the cashier’s office by a ‘runner’ or occasionally by a journalist. | ||
After May 2009 when the cash office was closed, individual titles and their managing editors were able to dispense cash themselves | ||
The cash office kept a weekly log of money sent and received, which would be sent to financial HQ in Peterborough on a weekly basis | ||
Edis takes News UK’s financial accountant Michael Gill through old stamped invoices, Thomas Cook payment forms, and bank transfers | ||
Counsel for Rebekah Brooks cross examines Michael Gill | ||
Laidlaw, counsel for Brooks, cross examines Gill about the NI financial accounting system. | ||
Laidlaw goes through the budgets of NOTW during the three years of Brooks’ editorship. | ||
Laidlaw goes through NOTW first financial year of Brook’s editorship July 2000-June 2001 – revenue estimated at £161 million | ||
Laidlaw points that editorial cost for NOTW £23.5m production £29m ink £46m promotions distribution – does not give libel figure | ||
Apparently is NGN not NOTW Shared cost £32m Profit £39m minus £9m contingencies in 2000 | ||
Laidlaw points out that NOTW £20m editorial costs is subdivided to various desks at Wapping and regional offices | ||
Editorial cost 98-99 was £20 million: £2.5 editorial managemeent. £2.9m features £3.3m 01-02 substantial overspend on budgeted figures | ||
Overspend by about £3-4million on a budget of £29 million in 01/02. (Occasionally Laidlaw includes magazine, sometimes not) | ||
Laidlaw goes back to last year of Brooks’ editorship of NOTW: financial year 02-03 with an editorial budget of just over £30million | ||
The £26 million for the paper alone (without magazine) breaks down to features, news, sport and pictures taking more than half the budget | ||
Laidlaw points out that one month for April 02 payments has 100 pages of request for payments for NOTW | ||
The four weekly payments for Mulcaire are in this bundle of payments for April 02: to Nine Consultancy | ||
Laidlaw, Counsel for Brooks “just a glance down that page shows the kind of sums for that single day.” | ||
Laidlaw goes to two other £1,769 payments to Mulcaire in the mass of payments, some very small, others up to £7k | ||
“These are four payments on a monthly payments among many hundred of payments” Laidlaw on Mulcaire in April 2002 | ||
Laidlaw takes Gill to a third binder of all payments authorised by Brooks during her editorship of News of the World | ||
“Most of these appear to be expenses claims,” says Laidlaw of Brooks’ payment authorisations while she was editor NOTW | ||
Gill confirms that Brooks never authorised a payment to Mulcaire either in person or to his consultancy according to computer records | ||
Laidlaw says News International contributor payments procured by police for period 2001-2011: no documentation before 2002 | ||
Mulcaire never had employee status at NOTW, but paid by weekly payments around £1.7k, and additional one off payments. | ||
The composite figure became ‘annualised’ in 2005: Mulcaire reached 100k and would need senior authorisation | ||
The composite annualised policy ‘should have been there’ before 2005, it was implied but was not spelt out until then, according to Gill | ||
Laidlaw asks about Brooks’ approach to the budget during her time as editor. But Gill can’t help him because not his responsibility | ||
Further Prosecution question to Michael Gill | ||
Edis shows Gill over Mulcaire’s 02 agreement: it’s for Euro Research and Information Ltd. Different from 9 Consultancy in invoice systems | ||
The agreement documents the weekly sums mentioned in NI invoice records. Edis asks Gill who would have approved it | ||
Gill on Mulcaire’s 02 contract “It would need editorial approval for the total amount… £92,000… for total amount of contract.” | ||
Edis asks Gill about NOTW editorial costs: 98-99 £20m 99-00 £23m 00-01 supposed to be reduced £1.2m. | ||
Expected NOW profit of £39m in 2000 only actually achieved £33m. Budget lowered to £30m for the following year: £1.5m less for editorial | ||
Edis on Brooks’ authorisations for NOTW, asked if a similar document could be produced for her period at the Sun and Coulson. Gill: “yes | ||
Edis produces a list of payments made to Mulcaire and associated companies, scrolls down to 4 payments made in 2002 | ||
Mulcaire’s entries are filed “research” sometimes “urgent”. All approved by Kuttner. Paid to Euro Research and Information (as per contract) | ||
Witness – Harry Scott (former NOTW journalist) | ||
Prosecution Counsel questions Harry Scott | ||
Edis calls Harry Scott as a witness, a former NOTW journalist who joined in 1990, a subeditor, and then the night editor in mid 90s | ||
Scott explains to Bryant Heron the difference between “Back and middle benches” – the sub would rewrite in house style | ||
In the middle bench, the chief subs would supervise the subbing. The back benches would do production ‘packaging’ | ||
Scott explains it like a shop: “we’d make it look good and sound right” like composing shop windows. | ||
Scott explains how the night editor would choose the right pictures and headlines | ||
Scott “I have to be convinced in my own mind the story was right…. it’s going to be read by 9 million people. They’d come after you” | ||
Scott; “If you had any questions about a story you’d go back to departmental head… Is this right?” | ||
Scott, former night editor: “If it turned out to be a rumour in a pub… you can’t publish it. You’d talk to a lawyer, use you common sense” | ||
Scott: “If it’s a PA story or Reuters, you trust them to do it right. Legal oversight of everything you run.” | ||
Scott: “if you have a kiss and tell, and lots of quotes from the woman telling, you’d know it’s right… you can’t always know source” | ||
Scott: “If the woman has signed an affidavit… and if there’s a picture of them kissing… you’d know it was right.” | ||
“You tend to leave shortly after the editor,” Scott says about Saturday night deadline on NOTW | ||
Scott thinks first edition off stone at 7.45 on Saturday night, but sometimes late. Second edition on sport 8, and third about 10.30 pm | ||
Correction, Scott thinks second edition of NOTW was probably around 9pm | ||
Counsel for Andy Coulson cross examines Harry Scott | ||
Langdale, QC for Coulson, to Scott the night editor “I’m afraid I’ve got quite a lot of questions for you.” | ||
Scott explains to Langdale more of the sub-editors job: a ‘taste queue’ of copy and then draw up a page with art department, and give to sub | ||
Scott confirms that under the Hermes computer system you could see who edited, but Langdale says that copies of Hermes no longer available. | ||
On the middle bench at NOTW: a chief sub, a deputy chief sub, an assistant chief sub – often no relation to what they did | ||
On a Saturday for NOTW, according to Scott “every editor would be on the back bench…. except Colin Myler” | ||
Scott lays out the logistics of the NOTW offices: Editor’s offices backed on back benches, then middle benches, and sub editors. | ||
Scott lays out to left of back bench picture desk, news desk, and reporters arrayed at the old NOTW: to right the art desk, and production | ||
There would be someone on the legal desk, according to Scott. Then political editor, Ian Kirby. | ||
Scott then explains the ‘secret room’ which unlike others didn’t have a glass wall. | ||
Scott then runs through the series of editors – Phill Hall, Rebekah Wade, Andy Coulson. Scott refused promotion because of family | ||
An organisational chart from NOTW 06: Coulson editor, Wallis deputy: under him Gary Thompson with Harry Scott immediately below | ||
Scott says “You couldn’t take anyone out of the system (at NOTW) we didn’t have much spare meat” | ||
Scott goes through some of the NOTW news schedules around time of Milly Dowler with counsel for Coulson, Anthony Langdale QC | ||
12.04.02 News schedule from the Friday has MISSING MILLY at number six, assigned to Arnold/Rose/Mabey | ||
The same day but a bit earlier the NOTW news schedule has Milly Dowler story on at 8th position with same reporters | ||
Back tomorrow |
Note: All the defendants deny all the charges. The trial continues.
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